RE: Did Yahweh Set Adam Up?
April 17, 2015 at 5:11 pm
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2015 at 5:33 pm by Godscreated.)
(April 16, 2015 at 11:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: However the story was meant to be taken - what is absolutely and demonstrably missing is the idea of original sin or of death as a punishment for sin. Jews do not now, nor have they ever, to our knowledge, believed in this. The narrative explicitly references A & E's mortality when it mentions that they would become immortal by eating from the tree of life. You don't have to become something that you already are.
Not that the christians asked......but maybe they should have.
Quote:And the Etrnl Gd said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree Of Life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the Etrnl Gd sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the Garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the Tree of Life.
G3:22-24
This passage comes after they lost their immortality. Think son, think. God did not want them living with sin for an eternity, He sought to save them from this, just as Jesus has by His completed ministry for man. The Eternal God showed mercy to them in their failure.
GC
(April 17, 2015 at 5:06 pm)Quatermass Wrote:(April 17, 2015 at 5:03 pm)Godschild Wrote: Could it be He hasn't found it necessary to test one who will never choose to follow Him.
GC
Could it be that god is simply a complete idiot?
No, but one who rejects Him might be viewed that way.
GC
(April 17, 2015 at 8:01 am)Quatermass Wrote: I think if you don't give someone a concept of right and wrong, and then give them a command that requires a concept of right and wrong, you're asking for trouble!
Adam and Eve knew right from wrong as far as disobedience of God is concerned, that is made quite clear in the story. If they had not God would not have punished them. They indicate they know by saying they would be punished for eating the fruit.
GC
(April 17, 2015 at 4:42 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote:(April 17, 2015 at 9:27 am)professor Wrote: My oh My, the God of Heaven can do no right.
Of course A&E had an awareness of death and right and wrong at their creation, they had a language placed in them and a whole realm of knowledge in place too, otherwise they would be totally dysfunctional.
Animals have knowledge in them intrinsically from birth.
It is no great feat for God to do the same for Adam.
You think you would fare better than Adam?
Nobody has so far. Except the God Man Jesus, and we aint Him.
Actually I do not recall a biblical doctrine of "Original sin" as if it is some albatross hanging around our necks.
It does say, "In Adam all die but it also says in Christ all are made alive".
When the truck is barreling down the road at you, why not jump into a place of safety?
Why is that so hard?
The devil excels at telling people's minds how unfair God is.
How about considering the source of that thought?
It seems to me, most of the time we think God is as stupid as ourselves.
It is time to step out of the devil's sandbox and start thinking intelligently.Genesis 3:22-23 Wrote:And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” 23 So the Lord God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.The word "now" indicates that this is something new—something that wasn't so before but is so now. I did not write this book. It's not me you are disagreeing with nor is it me that you are accusing of stupidity.
Sure it was something new, Christians have never denied it wasn't, however knowing right from wrong doesn't necessarily mean one knows good from evil, we can see this in a child.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.