(April 16, 2015 at 8:55 pm)atheist critic Wrote:(June 13, 2014 at 11:22 pm)topher Wrote: So, I've recently been planning a basic strategy to use when debating with theists. There will never be a "one-size fits all" approach, obviously, but I know a lot of people have their own strategies that can engage any average believer. So, I'll run through my strategy, which consists of 3 questions, and I was hoping I could get some feedback from fellow atheists who may have heard good/terrible responses to these questions.
1. Does it matter to you whether or not your beliefs are true?
Basically, do you believe what you do because you think it's true? Or just because it feels good? Is there any amount of evidence that could ever change your mind? What if you knew for a FACT that it wasn't true, would you still cling to the belief out of the comfort it gives you?
2. Do you agree that truth is determined by evidence and observation of facts, and not through any other means?
Pretty basic, just simply; Do you understand how we come to understand something as truth? It's through evidence and evidence alone. We may be wrong about things sometimes, but science remains by far and away the single best method of coming to knowledge.
3. Do you understand that there is no evidence to support the claim that your beliefs are true?
If the first two questions went very quickly, then obviously this one is going to take the largest amount of time to discuss. But it's rewarding if you can trap them in their own mind games. Obviously, they can not answer these questions the way a logical person would. If they care about the truth, then they must acknowledge that they require evidence, not faith. And if they accept that there is no evidence to support their claims, then they can't even explain to themselves why they believe in God.
Any changes I should make before I try these out? How do you guys tend to argue with a believer?
I am lucky because I got to experience God through dreams, prophecies, loved ones communicating to me on the day they died when I had no way of knowing..stuff like this.
So my evidence is God answering my prayers, the experience through God, and other things.But the bottom line is I experienced something beyond the five senses through God.
Experience is something personal for the individual butwill never suffice for others to know there is a God.
Circular logic questions...how about logic canceling itself out? Logic stays in s box...if you want that forget chasing the experience. It's up to you but there is only one God.
This is a bunch of nothing. Personal experiences aren't evidence because they aren't evident to others. And your last comment is a poor attempt to appear, like, whoa, deep, man. It's vapid nonsense.
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