RE: Another Good Reason to be a Christian
April 20, 2015 at 3:09 am
(This post was last modified: April 20, 2015 at 3:25 am by robvalue.)
Thank you
If someone became Christian then got better, then this is not evidence of anything supernatural. Even if everyone who became Christian suddenly got better, it is still not evidence of anything other than a strange, unexplained phenomena. We still wouldn't know exactly what caused the people to get better. Sure, if loads of people with my illness were getting better, demonstrated scientifically, by becoming Christian, I would pretend to be one and see if I got miraculously better. If so, cool. Then I'd stop being a Christian whether it worked or not, after a reasonable amount of time as demonstrated by the study. I expect that would make you very angry, but I can only profess belief, I cannot alter my beliefs at will. I would try it out scientifically. I would do whatever the study indicated was part of the tentative causation link. If this meant reading the bible each day and going to church, then I would. But I'd see no reason to carry on doing it after it either worked or failed, unless the study indicated people got worse again after leaving Christianity or something.
Supernatural causation is impossible to establish. Someone getting better for natural reasons looks exactly the same on our end as someone getting healed by God, healed by fairies, healed by satan, healed by my magical eye brow or randomly altered by the mischievous anarchy gnomes. It still looks the same. We can establish a tentative causal link between the act of becoming a Christian and a disease getting better, but that is as far as it goes.
The idea that if something good happens, and someone claims a certain supernatural cause is the correct and only cause; that you must accept their word, is I'm afraid the very basis of "faith" and why religion gets away with this stuff. They cannot demonstrate that it is true. To say "what else could it be" is the classic argument from ignorance fallacy.
Why does god hate amputees so much? Why won't he ever heal even a single one and grow their limb back? I'll tell you why, it's because God doesn't "do" anything that couldn't have happened anyway.
I'm not sure if you forgot to address this or don't want to: why should I worship anything? Isn't a thank you enough? Considering God is omnipotent, everything he has ever done has been literally no effort for him whatsoever. I've expended more effort writing this post than he has in the whole history of time.
If someone became Christian then got better, then this is not evidence of anything supernatural. Even if everyone who became Christian suddenly got better, it is still not evidence of anything other than a strange, unexplained phenomena. We still wouldn't know exactly what caused the people to get better. Sure, if loads of people with my illness were getting better, demonstrated scientifically, by becoming Christian, I would pretend to be one and see if I got miraculously better. If so, cool. Then I'd stop being a Christian whether it worked or not, after a reasonable amount of time as demonstrated by the study. I expect that would make you very angry, but I can only profess belief, I cannot alter my beliefs at will. I would try it out scientifically. I would do whatever the study indicated was part of the tentative causation link. If this meant reading the bible each day and going to church, then I would. But I'd see no reason to carry on doing it after it either worked or failed, unless the study indicated people got worse again after leaving Christianity or something.
Supernatural causation is impossible to establish. Someone getting better for natural reasons looks exactly the same on our end as someone getting healed by God, healed by fairies, healed by satan, healed by my magical eye brow or randomly altered by the mischievous anarchy gnomes. It still looks the same. We can establish a tentative causal link between the act of becoming a Christian and a disease getting better, but that is as far as it goes.
The idea that if something good happens, and someone claims a certain supernatural cause is the correct and only cause; that you must accept their word, is I'm afraid the very basis of "faith" and why religion gets away with this stuff. They cannot demonstrate that it is true. To say "what else could it be" is the classic argument from ignorance fallacy.
Why does god hate amputees so much? Why won't he ever heal even a single one and grow their limb back? I'll tell you why, it's because God doesn't "do" anything that couldn't have happened anyway.
I'm not sure if you forgot to address this or don't want to: why should I worship anything? Isn't a thank you enough? Considering God is omnipotent, everything he has ever done has been literally no effort for him whatsoever. I've expended more effort writing this post than he has in the whole history of time.
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