(September 10, 2010 at 12:45 pm)ThinkingMan Wrote: Clearly you people are not able to refute my logic. Most educated athiests who consider themselves to be smart would love to indulge in this sort of discussin which i know from real life discussions. I am wondering weather I am on a forum fulll of uneducated athiests and the like rather then former types.
The reality is not a single statement I have made in my original post can be refuted and this is why you have not done so.
Probably the reason why we didn't bother responding to the arguments was that we've heard this tedious drivel so many times that we just can't be bothered any more.
That said, I'll list a few objections to your argument.
1) We don't know that everything has to have a cause. Causes imply temporal priority and, as there was no time before the Big Bang, perhaps it needed no cause.
2) How do you know that the universe hasn't existed in some form forever?
3) Why suppose the cause to be a god, rather than, say, a quantum fluctuation?
4) Why suppose the cause to be a loving god? I don't see many answered prayers around.
5) Why suppose the cause to be a loving god who conversed with Muhammad and sent down the angel Jibril, and did all the other nonsense which your religion espouses?
6) Why is this crappy argument so popular?
'We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart.' H.L. Mencken
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
'False religion' is the ultimate tautology.
'It is just like man's vanity and impertinence to call an animal dumb because it is dumb to his dull perceptions.' Mark Twain
'I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.' Abraham Lincoln
