That said, I'll list a few objections to your argument.
1) We don't know that everything has to have a cause. Causes imply temporal priority and, as there was no time before the Big Bang, perhaps it needed no cause.
2) How do you know that the universe hasn't existed in some form forever?
You see I have adressed these already if you would only understand and think about the original points I made.
1)the big bang by its nature is limited dependent tangible phenomenon and is subject to the laws of cause and effect. In principle it could not be that there was nothing before the big bandg since otherwise the big bang would not come into existence. The only possibility would be that before the big bang there was an unlimted independent creator who caused the big bang. Comes back to the same thing therefore God was the cause of the big bang.
2)Becuase again the universe being limited and dependent and a subject of cause and effect by its very nature could only exist if there was a creator to start it all in the first place. If you said to me how do you know God hasnt existed forever I would say well he must have existed forever because he is unlimted and independant and not the subject of cause and effect. The universe is the complete opposiet so I know it could not have existed in some for forever.
I could address all the other points but really the the above and others have have been addressed already you really need to stop pvercomplicating the matters and contemplate the points in my original post.
"Most of us were born and raised with the same kind of religious indoctrination that you have failed to shake off"
If you could only show the logical inconsistencies in my points then perhaps I could shake them off.
Anyway your obviously unable to do so and really in denial about God. be sure to check out my thread on the miracle of the quran whcih will prove the quran is from the creator weather you like it or not.
1) We don't know that everything has to have a cause. Causes imply temporal priority and, as there was no time before the Big Bang, perhaps it needed no cause.
2) How do you know that the universe hasn't existed in some form forever?
You see I have adressed these already if you would only understand and think about the original points I made.
1)the big bang by its nature is limited dependent tangible phenomenon and is subject to the laws of cause and effect. In principle it could not be that there was nothing before the big bandg since otherwise the big bang would not come into existence. The only possibility would be that before the big bang there was an unlimted independent creator who caused the big bang. Comes back to the same thing therefore God was the cause of the big bang.
2)Becuase again the universe being limited and dependent and a subject of cause and effect by its very nature could only exist if there was a creator to start it all in the first place. If you said to me how do you know God hasnt existed forever I would say well he must have existed forever because he is unlimted and independant and not the subject of cause and effect. The universe is the complete opposiet so I know it could not have existed in some for forever.
I could address all the other points but really the the above and others have have been addressed already you really need to stop pvercomplicating the matters and contemplate the points in my original post.
"Most of us were born and raised with the same kind of religious indoctrination that you have failed to shake off"
If you could only show the logical inconsistencies in my points then perhaps I could shake them off.
Anyway your obviously unable to do so and really in denial about God. be sure to check out my thread on the miracle of the quran whcih will prove the quran is from the creator weather you like it or not.
