RE: Why there must be a God
September 10, 2010 at 5:40 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2010 at 5:45 pm by ThinkingMan.)
DarkestAngel, you have lossed the plot. The points I made were simple, you have not addressed them I think you didnt understand in the first place.
"Okay, say we accept your assertion that our existence is evidence of God. Why God? Why not a metaphysical interdimensional unicorn-rabbit hybrid? He created everything, my book tells me so."
If we imagine a unicorn rabbit hybrid or an alien or anything like that that things we imagine visiually will be limited and dependent because we cannot imagine what unlimited or independent or existing without cause and effect looks like. What we do know is the creator is unlimited, independent, without cause and effect etc. Therefore we should not be imagining rabit hybrids, aliens or the like as the nature of anything we imagine cannoy be unlimited or independent.
Fair enough if we want to have more details about the creator the only way we can get these details is not by imagining what they are ourselves but we will only know when the creator informs us of his attributes.
Therefore we need a revelation which one can intellectually prove to be from god. I will do these when I come to write about the miracle of the quran in another thread. But yes the quran does detail many attributes of the creator e.g. unlimited, independent, self sufficient, eternal, the sustainer of all that exists, the one who is nothing like the creation and so on. The description of Gods attributes in the quran perfectly fits with the attributes we would expect him to have based on our deductions about him when we contemplate reality.
The question thus becomes is the quran from the creator? I will prove that it is in another thread.
"Okay, say we accept your assertion that our existence is evidence of God. Why God? Why not a metaphysical interdimensional unicorn-rabbit hybrid? He created everything, my book tells me so."
If we imagine a unicorn rabbit hybrid or an alien or anything like that that things we imagine visiually will be limited and dependent because we cannot imagine what unlimited or independent or existing without cause and effect looks like. What we do know is the creator is unlimited, independent, without cause and effect etc. Therefore we should not be imagining rabit hybrids, aliens or the like as the nature of anything we imagine cannoy be unlimited or independent.
Fair enough if we want to have more details about the creator the only way we can get these details is not by imagining what they are ourselves but we will only know when the creator informs us of his attributes.
Therefore we need a revelation which one can intellectually prove to be from god. I will do these when I come to write about the miracle of the quran in another thread. But yes the quran does detail many attributes of the creator e.g. unlimited, independent, self sufficient, eternal, the sustainer of all that exists, the one who is nothing like the creation and so on. The description of Gods attributes in the quran perfectly fits with the attributes we would expect him to have based on our deductions about him when we contemplate reality.
The question thus becomes is the quran from the creator? I will prove that it is in another thread.
