RE: Free Speech Advocate murdered.
April 25, 2015 at 10:20 am
(This post was last modified: April 25, 2015 at 10:42 am by Brian37.)
(April 25, 2015 at 7:36 am)robvalue Wrote: That is unbelievably sadI'm very sorry for her and her family. She was doing a really brave thing.
If people are that scared about their ideas being discussed, maybe they should get ideas they can defend with words.
BINGO,
If you have to get your point across by law or gunpoint because your idea got offended, you DO NOT have an idea worth defending.
No again, no, that does not mean cuss people out in every context. It merely means "never" is not a good tactic to keep the peace.
Getting your idea picked on is not a crime. Murdering someone merely because they picked on your idea is a crime.
(April 25, 2015 at 7:51 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree. People should be able to discuss and mock ideas and beliefs as much as they want.
If people holding those ideas cannot differentiate between themselves and the ideas, that is their problem. They need to grow up. They can rebut, ignore it or report it. Don't turn to violence. The problem of course is that a rebuttal is considerably more difficult when your beliefs make no sense. Too bad. Maybe you should evaluate those beliefs.
Someone can insult atheism all day long, and secularism, whatever. Call it any name you want. I don't give a monkeys, and I'd never come and hit you for it. If you make a point worth debating, I'll rebut. Otherwise I'll ignore you.
I won't always ignore it, but I certainly wont get violent over it. If you know the difference between when a bigot wants you to burn in hell merely because you exist, and say a religious person who is ignorant but well intended out of concern, blaspheming either still would not give them the right to get violent with you.
But I do know the difference between Malala and say the assholes who shot her. The worst Malala would get form me is "bullshit, your god is just as made up as any other" and I would expect the worst she would say to me is "you're being a dick". But as a human, Malala understands my blasphemy to her would not be a crime. And that I can live with.
(April 25, 2015 at 10:20 am)Brian37 Wrote:(April 25, 2015 at 7:36 am)robvalue Wrote: That is unbelievably sad
If people are that scared about their ideas being discussed, maybe they should get ideas they can defend with words.
BINGO,
If you have to get your point across by law or gunpoint because your idea got offended, you DO NOT have an idea worth defending.
No again, no, that does not mean cuss people out in every context. It merely means "never" is not a good tactic to keep the peace.
Getting your idea picked on is not a crime. Murdering someone merely because they picked on your idea is a crime.
(April 25, 2015 at 7:51 am)robvalue Wrote: I agree. People should be able to discuss and mock ideas and beliefs as much as they want.
If people holding those ideas cannot differentiate between themselves and the ideas, that is their problem. They need to grow up. They can rebut, ignore it or report it. Don't turn to violence. The problem of course is that a rebuttal is considerably more difficult when your beliefs make no sense. Too bad. Maybe you should evaluate those beliefs.
Someone can insult atheism all day long, and secularism, whatever. Call it any name you want. I don't give a monkeys, and I'd never come and hit you for it. If you make a point worth debating, I'll rebut. Otherwise I'll ignore you.
I won't always ignore it, but I certainly wont get violent over it. If you know the difference between when a bigot wants you to burn in hell merely because you exist, and say a religious person who is ignorant but well intended out of concern, blaspheming either still would not give them the right to get violent with you.
But I do know the difference between Malala and say the assholes who shot her. The worst Malala would get form me is "bullshit, your god is just as made up as any other" and I would expect the worst she would say to me is "you're being a dick". But as a human, Malala understands my blasphemy to her would not be a crime. And that I can live with. If in that case the worst that would happen between us is we would simply stop talking to each other.
