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Logic of chance
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RE: Logic of chance
(January 22, 2009 at 6:42 am)DD_8630 Wrote: I've heard Dawkins say something to that effect. Why would a Creator necessarily be more complex than the Creation? As we all know, the universe can develop on its own without any obvious divine interference (the expansion of the universe, novae, evolution, etc, all occur naturally). So perhaps the Creator needs only to be at least as complex as the initial universe?

Basically, why does a Creator need to be complex? Thinking

That's an interesting point. If the creator was a non-interventionist and had no interest in whether or not life would ever arise, then your point makes a lot of sense. If however, this god has planned to create the universe for us to live in, then it (the god) would have need to know from the start exactly what forces to create and how strong each of them should be for humanity to be possible. It would have to have known the very tiny, precise measurements of the universe we're in now, if it were to plan this from an early stage (hence having to be as complex as the current universe or more).

If the creator was only as complex as the initial universe, is it really a god?

Well that's my take on it Smile
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Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 9, 2009 at 1:01 am
RE: Logic of chance - by WWLD - January 9, 2009 at 1:10 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Demonaura - January 9, 2009 at 1:56 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 9, 2009 at 2:01 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Demonaura - January 9, 2009 at 2:16 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 9, 2009 at 9:19 am
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 9, 2009 at 10:04 am
RE: Logic of chance - by leo-rcc - January 9, 2009 at 9:40 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Demonaura - January 9, 2009 at 9:40 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Demonaura - January 9, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 9, 2009 at 11:56 am
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 9, 2009 at 12:18 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 9, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by CoxRox - January 9, 2009 at 1:22 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 9, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by CoxRox - January 9, 2009 at 1:46 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 12, 2009 at 9:06 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Edwardo Piet - January 10, 2009 at 10:52 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Sam - January 15, 2009 at 1:24 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 15, 2009 at 1:31 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Sam - January 15, 2009 at 1:38 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 22, 2009 at 6:42 am
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 22, 2009 at 6:55 am
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 22, 2009 at 7:07 am
RE: Logic of chance - by LukeMC - January 22, 2009 at 11:42 am
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 22, 2009 at 12:13 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by CoxRox - January 22, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by josef rosenkranz - January 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 23, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by josef rosenkranz - January 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 25, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - January 16, 2009 at 1:45 am
RE: Logic of chance - by allan175 - January 16, 2009 at 7:20 am
RE: Logic of chance - by leo-rcc - January 16, 2009 at 7:25 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Eilonnwy - January 23, 2009 at 12:19 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by CoxRox - January 23, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Tiberius - January 25, 2009 at 3:20 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by leo-rcc - January 25, 2009 at 4:05 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Tiberius - January 25, 2009 at 4:24 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by leo-rcc - January 25, 2009 at 4:43 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by lukec - January 26, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - January 26, 2009 at 1:56 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by lukec - January 26, 2009 at 3:46 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by DD_8630 - February 13, 2009 at 10:55 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by unconvertable - February 14, 2009 at 12:07 am
RE: Logic of chance - by josef rosenkranz - February 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Demonaura - February 14, 2009 at 3:25 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Ephrium - August 24, 2009 at 3:32 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Tiberius - August 24, 2009 at 10:11 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Darwinian - August 24, 2009 at 10:12 am
RE: Logic of chance - by fr0d0 - August 24, 2009 at 1:32 pm
RE: Logic of chance - by Kyuuketsuki - August 24, 2009 at 10:33 am
RE: Logic of chance - by Violet - August 27, 2009 at 4:20 pm

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