(April 30, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Salacious B. Crumb Wrote: We can look at things from the bible starting at the beginning: There are two ludicrous, contradicting biblical creation accounts. About 6,000-10,000 years ago, the bible claims Adam and Eve were the first humans on this planet. That differs from scientific fact, that humans are at least 150,000 years old.. Need I go farther?
Also, just straightforward reasoning such as: Where are all the firsthand eyewitness written testimony of jesus's miracles he performed during his life? You would think if the only begotten son of god came to earth and performed miracles, someone would have written about it. Even if there were thousands of written statements, that shouldn't be good evidence to anyone anyway, but you would think at least that much would exist.
The bible disproves itself, that part is obvious. Would you go as far to say as the god of the bible can be disproved using the bible and/or logic? Feel free to quote more infallible passages.
First of all, the creation accounts were likely myths, speaking the truth that there is one God who created everything. This is in contrast to the creation myths of many gods floating around at the time. As far as the accounts of firsthand eyewitnesses go, what are you looking for? The apostle John was an eyewitness and the other writers had access to eyewitnesses. The overwhelming majority of the eyewitnesses couldn't read or write. They passed it on orally for the most part. The Romans, who weren't witnesses to the miracles, would have treated these accounts as you treat the accounts of modern day miracles, and would have dismissed them out of hand. I happen to believe the writings of the bible, either from the writings of eyewitnesses or from the statements of eyewitnesses obtained by the gospel writers. You can't absolutely prove or disprove God to the world. If logic is your only guiding principle, then you probably won't believe in God. Of course our principles of logic are determined by people and not by God. I personally think some findings of quantum physics are illogical. Logic is a worldly principle, and God is other than worldly, so to believe in God, one must go beyond what he can demonstrate in a lab. And even atheists make assumptions that are not provable. It all depends on how far we're willing to venture out of the little world that we can perceive in front of our eyes and consider the world that includes whatever exists beyond the boundaries of the universe.
