(May 2, 2015 at 5:56 am)robvalue Wrote: Right. Without indoctrination, you wouldn't be at all interested or worried about what the Bible has to say. It's just a book.
Thanks again for being a rational person on these forums... you have to understand that from my point of view some atheist on these forums argue out of ignorance on these subjects as much as any bible thumper can about a subject like evolution. I lost count of the straw man arguments and red herrings that have been cast when I state my current beliefs. For me, to just say that the bible is just a book of fairy tales, myths, and lores is just an excuse for not knowing it or understanding it. And coming from the perspective of someone that has only read it with that presupposition, you're just not going to read it in an objective way.
So, please humor me with this. Or is it humour where you're from
Lets suppose for the sake of argument that the bible from genesis 3 to revelation 22 is all about how mankind, with the nudging of satan, decided that they knew better than god and didn't need or trust him as their one and only sovereign ruler. And so now, mankind as a puppet of satan has tried for millennia to rule themselves. Trying out all sorts of governments. Slowly learning of new technology and science. Until it all has culminated to a point in history where it is so clearly about to crumble into disarray. Then that is when god steps in and undoes all the wrong that has been caused by satan and the humans that chose not to follow god as the one and only god and we all live happily ever after on a paradise earth. So that is a super short version of what I think almost every JW will tell you is the whole point of the bible. So some calculations were made and the guy who kickstarted JW's thought the end would come in 1914. In case you didn't notice, it didn't. But we don't venerate him as a prophet or anyone so special. But I really don't want to get caught up in the minutia... JW's believe that around 1914 satan was cast out of heaven and sent to earth where he is hot with anger knowing that his time is short. (Revelation 12:9) So no matter what the exact years was, we can see that in the last 100 years things have gone from bad to worse. And its all man made. I read a UN report about global warming and it summed up by saying that global warming would cause wars, food shortages, pestilences, etc. I know that we have experienced all of those things for years but scientist say that this could wipe humans off the earth.
And the cherry on top in the U.S. is that the religious right are in the fore front of denying climate change. This planet is like their welcome mat to heaven that you just wipe your feet on. But that goes back to another post where I mentioned the bible describes false religion as a prostitute that will eventually be destroyed by the worlds kingdoms. So one point for JW's right? We believe and hope for the day religion will be destroyed... just not ours
