(January 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: DD HiUnfortunately, I don't know enough French to translate that. Neither, it seems, does Bablefish: "The same Sleeve-board but otherwise coifee."
Our debate in my thread "determinism vs. indeterminism" has burnt out but I'm glad to see that it has revived in this thread under another name.
The French have a saying :La meme Jeannette mais autrement coifee.
It's basic french ,need not to be translated.
What does it mean?
(January 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: The debate here is going on in the high spheres of the creation of the universe, which is very interesting,but my impression is of speculative thinking, doubtfully related to the last theories of the physicist.Hawking's theory has been quite famously disproven. The information is radiated out by the black hole, albeit in a garbled form. There is no 'parallel universe' involved in this or any other scientific theory. Perhaps you are confusing scientific fact for science fiction?
If the theory of Stephen Hawking who recognized that his,for long years assumption that information of black holes is going to vanish in nothing when the black hole has finished his radiation,is not true and the information wanders to other parrallel universes is right, then the debate about the creation of "our" universe becomes a "provincial" debate.
The rest of what you say is unsubstantiated conjecture, with a load of Bible-twisting thrown in to boot.
(January 23, 2009 at 1:35 pm)josef rosenkranz Wrote: Now let's come down to our ordinary physical world.All roads lead to Hell
I think it would be more interesting to debate about chance (indeterminism) in Physics,Biology,Sociology,Economy,Politics,even,why not, Meteorology and so on .
Such a debate I believe shall bring us back with no doubt to atheism.
"I am a scientist... when I find evidence that my theories are wrong, it is as exciting as if the evidence proved them right." - Stargate: SG1
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin
A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, -- a mere heart of stone. - Charles Darwin