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Dealing with Death as an Atheist
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RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist
Perhaps it's not totally relevant but this week I read Cicero's excellent dialogue On Old Age, written in 44 BC, about a year before Cicero was brutally murdered and had his head put on display on the Rostra in the Forum Romanum by Marc Antony, the very location where Cicero had prior given speeches in opposition to Antony. The full text of the dialogue can be read here. Some of my favorite passages include the following:

Quote:It remains to consider now the fourth reason — one that seems especially calculated to render my time of life anxious and full of care — the nearness of death; for death, in truth, cannot be far away. O wretched indeed is that old man who has not learned in the course of his long life that death should be held of no account! For clearly death is negligible, if it utterly annihilates the soul, or even desirable, if it conducts the soul to some place where it is to live for ever. Surely no other alternative can be found. What, then, shall I fear, if after death I am destined to be either not unhappy or happy?

...That death is common to every age has been brought home to me by the loss of my dearest son, and to you, Scipio, by the untimely end of your two brothers, when they were giving promise of attaining to the highest honours in the State. But, you may say, the young man hopes that he will live for a long time and this hope the old man cannot have. Such a hope is not wise, for what is more unwise than to mistake uncertainty for certainty, falsehood for truth? They say, also, that the old man has nothing even to hope for. Yet he is in better case than the young man, since what the latter merely hopes for, the former has already attained; the one wishes to live long, the other has lived long.

...to me nothing whatever seems "lengthy" if it has an end; for when that end arrives, then that which was is gone; naught remains but the fruit of good and virtuous deeds. Hours and days, and months and years, go by; the past returns no more, and what is to be we cannot know; but whatever the time given us in which to live, we should therewith be content.
Quote:Now the fruit of old age, as I have often said, is the memory of abundant blessings previously acquired. Moreover, whatever befalls in accordance with Nature should be accounted good; and indeed, what is more consonant with Nature than for the old to die? But the same fate befalls the young, though Nature in their case struggles and rebels. Therefore, when the young die I am reminded of a strong flame extinguished by a torrent; but when old men die it is as if a fire had gone out without the use of force and of its own accord, after the fuel had been consumed; and, just as apples when they are green are with difficulty plucked from the tree, but when ripe and mellow fall of themselves, so, with the young, death comes as a result of force, while with the old it is the result of ripeness. To me, indeed, the thought of this "ripeness" for death is so pleasant, that the nearer I approach death the more I feel like one who is in sight of land at last and is about to anchor in his home port after a long voyage.
Quote:Now, there may be some sensation in the process of dying, but it is a fleeting one, especially to the old; after death the sensation is either pleasant or there is none at all. But this should be thought on from our youth up, so that we may be indifferent to death, and without this thought no one can be in a tranquil state of mind. For it is certain that we must die, and, for aught we know, this very day. Therefore, since death threatens every hour, how can he who fears it have any steadfastness of soul? 

...as I have noted in my Antiquities, how our legions have often marched with cheerful and unwavering courage into situations whence they thought they would never return. Then shall wise old men fear a thing which is despised by youths, and not only by those who are untaught, but by those also who are mere clowns?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Minimalist - May 4, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Minimalist - May 4, 2015 at 2:29 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Jericho - May 4, 2015 at 2:35 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 4, 2015 at 2:49 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Twisted - May 4, 2015 at 4:18 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Longhorn - May 4, 2015 at 6:22 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by jughead - May 4, 2015 at 7:10 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by pocaracas - May 4, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 4, 2015 at 8:38 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 4, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Angrboda - May 4, 2015 at 11:45 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Chad32 - May 4, 2015 at 11:52 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Mudhammam - May 4, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Chad32 - May 4, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Minimalist - May 4, 2015 at 1:20 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by emjay - May 5, 2015 at 7:29 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 6, 2015 at 7:18 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by VeggieDog - May 6, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 6, 2015 at 7:24 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 6, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Regina - May 6, 2015 at 7:35 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2015 at 8:07 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Simon Moon - May 6, 2015 at 8:57 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Hatshepsut - May 6, 2015 at 8:59 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Jericho - May 6, 2015 at 10:30 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by dahrling - May 6, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Jericho - May 6, 2015 at 10:43 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by dahrling - May 6, 2015 at 10:47 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Jericho - May 6, 2015 at 10:50 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by vorlon13 - May 6, 2015 at 11:19 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 7, 2015 at 12:55 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 7, 2015 at 7:22 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Brometheus - May 7, 2015 at 2:07 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by abaris - May 7, 2015 at 7:51 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by AFTT47 - May 7, 2015 at 10:49 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Pyrrho - May 7, 2015 at 11:10 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by AFTT47 - May 7, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Mudhammam - May 8, 2015 at 3:15 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Whateverist - May 8, 2015 at 12:04 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by AFTT47 - May 8, 2015 at 12:25 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by CapnAwesome - May 8, 2015 at 12:05 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 8, 2015 at 4:07 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 8, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 8, 2015 at 7:14 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 8, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 9, 2015 at 3:15 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 9, 2015 at 8:06 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 9, 2015 at 4:28 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 9, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 10, 2015 at 1:18 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Angrboda - May 8, 2015 at 1:16 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by henryp - May 9, 2015 at 12:37 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Mudhammam - May 9, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Whateverist - May 9, 2015 at 12:40 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 9, 2015 at 4:14 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Astrogod07 - May 10, 2015 at 11:42 pm
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by AFTT47 - May 11, 2015 at 1:01 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Astrogod07 - May 11, 2015 at 1:32 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Silver - May 11, 2015 at 1:46 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Pyrrho - May 11, 2015 at 10:29 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by robvalue - May 11, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Jericho - May 11, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Dealing with Death as an Atheist - by Cephus - May 11, 2015 at 2:34 pm

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