(May 9, 2015 at 8:06 am)wallym Wrote:(May 9, 2015 at 3:15 am)Cephus Wrote: No, there are no rational reasons to believe in any gods because there is no evidence at all that said gods actually exist in reality. If they believe in false premises then their conclusions are likely faulty.
And "thank god" is often a social construct that is a hold-over from religion, but not religious necessarily in and of itself. It's the people who really mean it in a religious context that have a problem.
If you think the world is flat, it is not irrational to believe you might fall off the edge if you sail far enough in one direction. There is a difference between incorrect and irrational. What happens is people have a view of the world, and they look for a way to explain that view. God is an a very good answer for their false impression of reality.
But if you take away the premises, say the world is round or humans do not have intrinsic value, then there is no longer a reason to believe you'll fall off the edge, or God exists. It's an important distinction.
But the initial belief in a flat world is irrational, thus anything based upon that belief is also irrational. There is absolutely no reason in the modern world for anyone to believe that the world is flat but that doesn't stop some people from belonging to the Flat Earth Society (although I suspect it's largely a joke these days). At the core of rationality is the ability to reason and these people are not reasoning their way into their beliefs, they are using pure and unrestrained emotion. That makes their beliefs irrational by definition. Their beliefs are not reasonable nor rational nor logical.
You can only spin this so many ways. The religious are as ridiculous as people who believe in unicorns or leprechauns.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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