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A rational explanation for hell?
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RE: A rational explanation for hell?
Hey Ace,

Ace Wrote:Can a theist here explain the reasoning behind endless torture for a finite victemless crime?
Who can give a rational reason for it?
Oh and why do people end up in hell for simply having certain thoughts or lack ther of? Who is affected by anothers beliefs (or lack ther of)?

A man asked me this same question a couple weeks ago and I was stumped. Hell is a disturbing concept to say the least and if one day I stand before the Lord and find out that it was simply human misinterpretation I will be very relieved. That being said at this point in my walk along the Way I have no reason to believe that it isn't a real state in which men exist.

I have in my mind what I want to express but please bare with me.

In order to understand the reason for Hell it's important to grasp something of what God is. He is infinitely immense. So large that everything that exists does so inside of Him. All reality is caused and held together by this maximum. He's holy, holy, holy as Isaiah wrote.

A man once said "Sin is to seek to march up to God's throne, knock Him off it, kill Him, and to seat your self there instead."

Sin is a horrid thing. I see this image of a man suspended in air, completely surrounded by the presense of God, kicking, struggling, screaming his lungs out in protest. He wants to go his own way and nothing is going to stop him. Its like a man in the hospital tearing at the cords to the life support system.

The reason men go to hell is cause and effect. The lost man ignores and treats Him as an insignificant thing on this planet and when they die what changes? God is just as present as He always was except now they can see Him.

I've heard people say that Heaven is Heaven because God is there and Hell is Hell because He isn't. I believe Heaven is Heaven because of the love of God being expressed and Hell is Hell because of the hatrid and wrath being manisfest to those who despised Him all the days of their lives.



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A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 9:23 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 15, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by theophilus - September 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Zen Badger - September 15, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 19, 2011 at 11:25 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by DeistPaladin - September 15, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 19, 2011 at 10:40 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Darwinian - July 20, 2011 at 5:11 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 20, 2011 at 7:37 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Darwinian - July 20, 2011 at 7:48 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2011 at 8:20 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 21, 2011 at 4:25 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by lrh9 - September 15, 2010 at 9:44 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 9:55 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 10:05 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 11:06 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Watson - September 15, 2010 at 12:09 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 12:31 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Godschild - September 17, 2010 at 12:55 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 17, 2010 at 4:56 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 15, 2010 at 12:39 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - September 15, 2010 at 1:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 15, 2010 at 1:29 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 15, 2010 at 2:21 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - September 16, 2010 at 6:43 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 15, 2010 at 3:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 15, 2010 at 3:44 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 15, 2010 at 6:00 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by chasm - September 15, 2010 at 6:08 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by theVOID - September 15, 2010 at 6:20 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 19, 2011 at 11:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2011 at 5:52 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 8:47 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 15, 2010 at 8:09 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by solja247 - September 15, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 16, 2010 at 4:10 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Entropist - September 15, 2010 at 9:01 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 15, 2010 at 10:48 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Entropist - September 15, 2010 at 11:30 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by krazedkat - September 15, 2010 at 11:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 16, 2010 at 1:30 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Welsh cake - September 16, 2010 at 5:55 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 16, 2010 at 7:09 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 16, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 16, 2010 at 10:07 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 16, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 17, 2010 at 11:52 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Welsh cake - September 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 1:38 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 20, 2010 at 8:48 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 20, 2010 at 4:28 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:56 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 20, 2010 at 5:35 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Rayaan - September 20, 2010 at 5:42 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 5:48 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 20, 2010 at 5:59 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Entropist - September 20, 2010 at 8:54 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 7:23 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Skipper - September 20, 2010 at 7:27 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Soyouz - September 20, 2010 at 2:23 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - September 20, 2010 at 2:56 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by leo-rcc - September 20, 2010 at 3:00 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:00 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Soyouz - September 20, 2010 at 4:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by chatpilot - September 20, 2010 at 4:36 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:45 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by tackattack - September 27, 2010 at 12:28 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - September 27, 2010 at 6:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 19, 2011 at 11:05 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Kayenneh - July 20, 2011 at 3:56 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Welsh cake - July 20, 2011 at 7:40 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 20, 2011 at 8:06 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Darwinian - July 20, 2011 at 8:17 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 20, 2011 at 8:26 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 20, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Mad Militant - July 20, 2011 at 9:00 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 20, 2011 at 9:17 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Mad Militant - July 20, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 21, 2011 at 6:20 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Autumnlicious - July 20, 2011 at 7:59 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Mad Militant - July 20, 2011 at 8:16 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 20, 2011 at 9:25 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 24, 2011 at 6:39 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 20, 2011 at 10:56 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 21, 2011 at 3:30 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by CharlieMilles - July 21, 2011 at 4:44 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Autumnlicious - July 21, 2011 at 2:43 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by BethK - July 21, 2011 at 4:22 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 21, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Welsh cake - July 22, 2011 at 5:35 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 22, 2011 at 12:43 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 22, 2011 at 1:08 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 22, 2011 at 1:28 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 22, 2011 at 1:37 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by BethK - July 24, 2011 at 12:12 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 25, 2011 at 1:23 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by DeistPaladin - July 25, 2011 at 8:29 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 25, 2011 at 7:39 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by DeistPaladin - July 25, 2011 at 8:56 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Kayenneh - July 24, 2011 at 1:19 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 24, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Judas BentHer - July 24, 2011 at 10:41 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 25, 2011 at 8:58 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Godschild - July 25, 2011 at 1:15 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by DeistPaladin - July 25, 2011 at 1:23 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 25, 2011 at 1:36 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 25, 2011 at 2:10 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 26, 2011 at 1:16 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 27, 2011 at 2:33 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 25, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Godschild - July 26, 2011 at 1:22 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 28, 2011 at 1:33 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 28, 2011 at 3:34 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by edk - July 29, 2011 at 1:47 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 29, 2011 at 6:27 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 26, 2011 at 9:35 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Godschild - July 27, 2011 at 1:26 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 26, 2011 at 8:57 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 28, 2011 at 9:12 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 28, 2011 at 9:06 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 28, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - July 28, 2011 at 4:14 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 31, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - August 1, 2011 at 3:30 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Cinjin - August 1, 2011 at 3:48 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by edk - July 29, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - August 14, 2011 at 1:26 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 31, 2011 at 6:50 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 31, 2011 at 7:24 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - July 31, 2011 at 11:07 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - July 31, 2011 at 8:47 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - July 31, 2011 at 8:58 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by edk - July 31, 2011 at 10:17 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - July 31, 2011 at 11:15 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 2, 2011 at 7:08 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 3, 2011 at 12:52 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 12, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 12, 2011 at 11:50 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Cinjin - August 12, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 13, 2011 at 12:01 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 14, 2011 at 9:13 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 15, 2011 at 1:01 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Jackalope - August 15, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 17, 2011 at 10:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Jackalope - August 18, 2011 at 1:48 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Ace Otana - August 1, 2011 at 4:01 am
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 1, 2011 at 10:09 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 1, 2011 at 10:44 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 14, 2011 at 9:53 pm
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RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 14, 2011 at 11:21 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by padraic - August 15, 2011 at 1:16 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by KichigaiNeko - August 15, 2011 at 6:24 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 15, 2011 at 8:40 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by KichigaiNeko - August 15, 2011 at 8:45 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Welsh cake - August 15, 2011 at 1:09 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - August 15, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 17, 2011 at 10:06 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 15, 2011 at 10:32 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Jackalope - August 16, 2011 at 3:43 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 10:44 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 17, 2011 at 10:52 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 17, 2011 at 10:59 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 17, 2011 at 11:03 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 12:03 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - August 18, 2011 at 1:05 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 11:47 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 8:11 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - August 18, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 12:13 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - August 18, 2011 at 12:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 8:29 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 9:00 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 9:18 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by BethK - August 18, 2011 at 9:29 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 9:09 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:19 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 9:31 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:38 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 9:47 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 18, 2011 at 9:53 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 10:36 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 18, 2011 at 11:00 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 11:28 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Faith No More - August 18, 2011 at 11:51 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 19, 2011 at 7:30 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 19, 2011 at 1:39 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2011 at 5:11 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 10:39 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 10:46 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 10:47 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 18, 2011 at 11:02 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 18, 2011 at 11:16 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 8:49 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Jackalope - August 19, 2011 at 1:41 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 19, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Captain Scarlet - August 19, 2011 at 9:38 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 7:44 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 19, 2011 at 7:54 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 20, 2011 at 12:12 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 20, 2011 at 12:58 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 20, 2011 at 1:11 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 21, 2011 at 5:48 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 21, 2011 at 12:12 am
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by The Grand Nudger - August 21, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 21, 2011 at 6:53 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 21, 2011 at 11:27 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by C Rod - August 22, 2011 at 7:46 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Epimethean - August 22, 2011 at 8:51 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Darkstar - January 24, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Cinjin - January 24, 2014 at 4:47 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Minimalist - January 24, 2014 at 5:47 pm
RE: A rational explanation for hell? - by Mudhammam - January 26, 2014 at 9:08 am

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