(September 16, 2010 at 2:29 am)AngelThMan Wrote: But I have felt God was with me in several situations, especially when I've been in some trouble and I have prayed.
Maybe you felt something. Just like people feel something when they take a placebo.
Quote:How do I know it was God that I felt? I will answer you. I've confirmed that it was indeed God not only through my own experiences, but through the experiences of others.
You've "confirmed it was God", huh? I don't see how this is possible.
Quote:I'll give you some examples...
Here we go! This should be good!
Quote:A few weeks ago my sister, her husband, her son and a pastor were traveling through a remote mountain. It started to rain and their car slid. It fell off a cliff and spun three times. All in the car were devout Christians, and they all prayed as the car spun down the cliff. All survived with no injuries.
So three people survived a car accident and you want to credit the fact that they're "devout Christians" and that "they all prayed as the car spun down the cliff".
Seriously?
Then why did "God" allow the car to spin off the road in the first place? And how do you explain accidents where devout people die? I've read about accidents where church groups have their bus crash and people die. And explain to me why "God" saved everyone in your sister's car, but he took no action to save Dottie Rambo http://christianmusic.about.com/od/music...boobit.htm
Your sister, her husband and the pastor were LUCKY! Nothing more.
Next.
Quote:I was watching Aftermath with William Shatner, and Jessica Lynch was his guest. In Iraq, she was in a Humvee with 11 other people when she got ambushed. During the skirmish, she was the only one that prayed for God to spare her life, and she was the only one out of 12 to survive.
Are we to believe that Jessica Lynch was the only devout Christian in that group of 12 people? Because I'm sure there were others. And how do you (or Jessica, or ANYONE) know that none of the others weren't praying during the ambush for their life to be spared? A person can pray silently to themselves. Trying to say that Jessica was the only person praying is to assume something for which there is no evidence. And if what you assert is true, we should just tell our soldiers to pray for their life to be spared whenever they're in combat. Then we should have zero casualties! Right?
Again, Jessica Lynch was LUCKY! Nothing more.
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Quote:A woman at my mother's church received a terrible back injury and was unable to walk. CAT scans revealed that disks were misaligned, and she could only walk with surgery. The entire church prayed for her, and the woman's condition improved greatly. She was able to walk, and surgery was no longer needed.
Obviously, the prayers were responsible for this woman's improvement!

There is way too little information here to make that kind of hasty judgement. Was the woman seeing a doctor for her condition? (I'll bet she was!) Was she receiving some sort of treatment? What did the doctors say when her condition improved? Did they have an explanation? And why do you suppose "God" answered prayers to fix this woman's back but he ignores all the prayers asking him to help children dying from cancer?
Quote:I don't know about you guys, but I can't ignore things like these.
There is nothing to ignore! A couple of instances where people got lucky and a story about a woman's back improving. Nothing convincing here. And if you think prayer truly works, please explain the results of this study: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pray.html
Quote:I haven't experienced anything as severe as the examples above, but I've been in situations in which I have felt that my prayers have made a difference. And that's how I know it was God.
And I can find numerous instances where prayers make no difference. If you think prayers make a difference, try praying for all the children suffering from Down's Syndrome to be cured and see what happens.
I'll tell you what would happen.... nothing.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?