RE: Jason Lisle: Creationism exists, but atheism doesn't
May 18, 2015 at 3:41 pm
(This post was last modified: May 18, 2015 at 3:43 pm by orangebox21.)
(May 18, 2015 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Generally, yes. If you can't test something, you can't learn anything about it. It may be you can measure it directly, or else you can assess it in some way that is fairly objective.
To clarify, and please answer yes or no, is empiricism the sole means by which knowledge can be obtained?
(May 18, 2015 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: Can you give me an example of something apart from religion that is untestable/unfalsifiable that you can learn about?The statement: "rocks are hard." Given that statement, observation, and inductive deduction we can conclude that all rocks are hard. Yet, the conclusion all rocks are hard is unfalsifiable. So if a person believes that all rocks are hard, he/she does so non-empirically. And if a person's belief is that empiricism is the sole means by which knowledge can be obtained, he/she believes that "all rocks are hard" without knowledge [a fabrication].
(May 18, 2015 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: It's a false dichotomy to say either you can measure something exactly or you can know nothing about it.I agree.
(May 18, 2015 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: People always go to emotions and stuff. We still have a lot of evidence regarding people's emotions, including being able to scan people's brains. Just because it isn't totally reliable, doesn't mean we can't learn about it. However with religion there is nothing to test, no falsifiable hypothesis.Are you then assuming without a falsifiable hypothesis we cannot learn? Are you saying that apart from empiricism we cannot learn anything?
(May 18, 2015 at 10:53 am)robvalue Wrote: No, we can't learn about everything because we don't even know what it is that we don't know. But that doesn't mean that we should make up stuff to fill any gaps that may or may not be there.I agree.
(May 18, 2015 at 1:01 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:By what standard is the belief in the Christian god flawed?(May 14, 2015 at 3:54 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: It is true that the conclusions we draw are filtered through our worldview. That being said, if our worldview is flawed or even self-refuting, we wouldn't be able to trust any conclusions that we make.
Well, since belief in the Christian god is flawed, for a multitude of reasons....
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
