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Another "I saw Jesus" claim
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RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim
(May 20, 2015 at 1:38 am)Nestor Wrote:
(May 20, 2015 at 12:39 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: As you now realize your island is rapidly shrinking.  You have no name for the "John" characters.  Consequently your ideas about them are totally skewed by your impression of what modern day Johns are like.  When the writers gave the "Jesus" character the name of "Jesus" they gave him a completely new identity that the one the original con man gave him.  So if someone claims to have seen"Jesus" they are saying that they saw a completely imaginary character.  "Jesus" didn't exist 2,000 years ago.  He's only about 400 years old.  
LOL. If you had read the posts at the top of this page, you'd have seen that I already gave an example of what Jesus' name would have been in the Greek: ησοῦς or Iēsous. John would have been ωάννης or Iōannēs. What "new identity" are you talking about? Are you saying nobody that we, using modern English, identity with a "J" in their name existed until 400 years ago? You can't be this fucking dumb... then again I'm not holding out much hope to the contrary.

The point I'm making is that even if such people did exist their persona changed when they were given new names.  If I wrote a Bible version and called "Jesus" something like "Billy Bob" or "Flap Jack" instead of "Iēsous"
would you really worship him?  Of course not.  If I changed "God" to "Spit Bucket" would you pray using "Spit Bucket" instead of "God"?  I doubt it. 

So when the writers changed the names of the characters they effectively created a new fairy tale.  They made a cast of new imaginary characters to reflect their own ideas and biases.  

Here's something to think about:  There are ragged pieces of ancient manuscripts that supposedly contain bits and pieces of the old ethnocentric religious fairy tale.  There are also supposed to be some ancient Bibles somewhere.  But you, yourself, will be hard pressed to prove that the Bible actually existed before the English wrote it.  

As it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:11, once people become deluded they will believe the lie.  In this instance the delusion is that the Bible has existed for about 2,000 years when in reality it's a recent book about 600 years old.  Of course the fairy tale is thousands of years old but that's another story. 

So if someone sees "Jesus" he's really seeing an imaginary character of his own making instead of the imaginary character that the con man dreamed up to fool everyone with. 
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Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Foxaèr - May 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 16, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 16, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 16, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Foxaèr - May 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 16, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Ravenshire - May 17, 2015 at 1:18 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 1:27 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 17, 2015 at 3:06 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 10:04 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 16, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Nope - May 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by robvalue - May 17, 2015 at 1:08 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 17, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Ravenshire - May 17, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Foxaèr - May 17, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Foxaèr - May 17, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 17, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Brakeman - May 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 18, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 8:45 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Brian37 - May 17, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Foxaèr - May 19, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 19, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:55 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 19, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 12:09 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:19 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:41 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 20, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:38 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 21, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 23, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 23, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 23, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by robvalue - May 20, 2015 at 2:47 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Spooky - May 21, 2015 at 12:28 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 21, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by RobbyPants - May 22, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by VeggieDog - May 22, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by RobbyPants - May 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 23, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 22, 2015 at 1:23 pm
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