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Another "I saw Jesus" claim
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RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim
(May 20, 2015 at 2:19 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: The point I'm making is that even if such people did exist their persona changed when they were given new names.  If I wrote a Bible version and called "Jesus" something like "Billy Bob" or "Flap Jack" instead of "Iēsous"
would you really worship him?  Of course not.  If I changed "God" to "Spit Bucket" would you pray using "Spit Bucket" instead of "God"?  I doubt it. 
When letters are translated into different languages, yes, meanings often change. You can find examples of that simply by consulting the multiple versions of the English translations that exist for the Bible. But that's not unique to the Bible; every work that is translated confronts the same issue, as does every translator, and each has to strive to remain as faithful to the spirit of the original text as possible. And I'm glad to see you backtracking your totally moronic claim that the character of Jesus was invented in the 17th century with the differentiation between the English letters "I" and "J."
Quote:So when the writers changed the names of the characters they effectively created a new fairy tale.  They made a cast of new imaginary characters to reflect their own ideas and biases.  
Examples and citations please.
Quote:Here's something to think about:  There are ragged pieces of ancient manuscripts that supposedly contain bits and pieces of the old ethnocentric religious fairy tale.  There are also supposed to be some ancient Bibles somewhere.  But you, yourself, will be hard pressed to prove that the Bible actually existed before the English wrote it.

As it says in 2 Thessalonians 2:11, once people become deluded they will believe the lie.  In this instance the delusion is that the Bible has existed for about 2,000 years when in reality it's a recent book about 600 years old.  Of course the fairy tale is thousands of years old but that's another story. 
We've debated this before, and as I remember correctly, you had your ass handed to you when I posted pictures and texts to the multiple, nearly complete copies of the Greek Old and New Testaments, dated from from the 2nd-4th centuries. Unless you have something new to present, or are actually willing to confront the facts, what are you still babbling on about?
Quote:So if someone sees "Jesus" he's really seeing an imaginary character of his own making instead of the imaginary character that the con man dreamed up to fool everyone with. 
Uh-huh. Ok.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Silver - May 16, 2015 at 6:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 16, 2015 at 6:25 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 16, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 16, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 16, 2015 at 6:32 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 6:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Silver - May 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 16, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 16, 2015 at 6:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 16, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - May 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Ravenshire - May 17, 2015 at 1:18 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 1:27 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 17, 2015 at 3:06 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 10:04 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 16, 2015 at 7:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Nope - May 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by robvalue - May 17, 2015 at 1:08 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 9:51 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 17, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Ravenshire - May 17, 2015 at 4:11 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 10:13 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Silver - May 17, 2015 at 10:30 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 11:27 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:15 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Silver - May 17, 2015 at 12:54 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:58 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Longhorn - May 17, 2015 at 12:21 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:23 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 12:26 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 17, 2015 at 12:43 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 1:28 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 17, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 17, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Brakeman - May 22, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:35 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 12:47 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 1:03 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by dyresand - May 17, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 1:22 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 18, 2015 at 11:45 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 8:45 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 6:19 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 7:00 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 17, 2015 at 2:35 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 17, 2015 at 3:40 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Brian37 - May 17, 2015 at 4:01 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Silver - May 19, 2015 at 12:12 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 19, 2015 at 12:46 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 8:04 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:52 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:55 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 22, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 6:07 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by abaris - May 19, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 12:09 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 12:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:38 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:19 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:41 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 19, 2015 at 11:17 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 20, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:39 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:32 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 2:38 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 7:17 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 20, 2015 at 5:56 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 21, 2015 at 12:15 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 23, 2015 at 1:13 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Mudhammam - May 23, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Wyrd of Gawd - May 23, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by robvalue - May 20, 2015 at 2:47 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Spooky - May 21, 2015 at 12:28 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Cyberman - May 21, 2015 at 10:47 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by RobbyPants - May 22, 2015 at 10:52 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by VeggieDog - May 22, 2015 at 12:19 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by RobbyPants - May 22, 2015 at 12:52 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Randy Carson - May 23, 2015 at 11:56 am
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by Minimalist - May 22, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Another "I saw Jesus" claim - by KevinM1 - May 22, 2015 at 3:13 pm

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