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Present a BETTER worldview
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RE: Present a BETTER worldview
Quote:The Drake equation states that:

[Image: 847914dec26cc45ac2957da0054683de.png]

where:

N = the number of civilizations in our galaxy with which communication might be possible;

and

R* = the average rate of star formation per year in our galaxy
fp = the fraction of those stars that have planets
ne = the average number of planets that can potentially support life per star that has planets
fℓ = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop life at some point
fi = the fraction of the above that actually go on to develop intelligent life
fc = the fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space
L = the length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.[3]
The old results are
Quote: * R* = 10/year (10 stars formed per year, on the average over the life of the galaxy)
* fp = 0.5 (half of all stars formed will have planets)
* ne = 2 (stars with planets will have 2 planets capable of developing life)
* fl = 1 (100% of these planets will develop life)
* fi = 0.01 (1% of which will be intelligent life)
* fc = 0.01 (1% of which will be able to communicate)
* L = 10,000 years (which will last 10,000 years).

Drake's values give N = 10 × 0.5 × 2 × 1 × 0.01 × 0.01 × 10,000 = 10.
But the new results are:
Quote:Current estimates (see below):

R* = 7/year, fp = 0.5, ne = 2, fl = 0.33, fi = 0.01, fc = 0.01, and L = 10,000 years
N = 7 × 0.5 × 2 × 0.33 × 0.01 × 0.01 × 10,000 = 2.31 (so two communicative civilizations exist in our galaxy at any given time, on average, plus two hundred more that are not trying to communicate).

But a pessimist might equally well believe that suitable planets are rare, life seldom becomes intelligent, and intelligent civilizations do not last very long:

R* = 10/year, fp = 0.5, ne = 0.01, fl = 0.13, fi = 0.001, fc = 0.01, and L = 1000 years
N = 10 × 0.5 × 0.01 × 0.13 × 0.001 × 0.01 × 1000 = 0.000065 (we are almost surely alone in our galaxy).

Alternatively, making some more optimistic assumptions, assuming that planets are common, life always arises when planets are favorable, 10% of civilizations become willing and able to communicate, and then spread through their local star systems for 100,000 years (a very short period in geologic time):

R* = 20/year, fp = 0.5, ne = 2, fl = 1, fi = 0.1, fc = 0.1, and L = 100,000 years
N = 20 × 0.5 × 2 × 1 × 0.1 × 0.1 × 100,000 = 20,000 (there's quite a few civilizations, although the closest one would still be about 1500 light years away).
So we are not alone if the illusive deities of chaos and luck are not mean to us
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Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 10:04 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 8:59 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2010 at 5:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Paul the Human - September 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by padraic - September 17, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 1:23 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 1:32 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 18, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:42 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:44 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 4:10 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 6:07 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The Omnissiunt One - September 18, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 4:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by DiRNiS - September 19, 2010 at 5:50 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Jaysyn - September 24, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by LastPoet - September 18, 2010 at 6:54 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 6:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by gargantuan - September 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by lrh9 - September 18, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 8:44 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 18, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by krazedkat - September 18, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 19, 2010 at 6:59 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 7:46 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 19, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 20, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by KichigaiNeko - September 20, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 5:34 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:53 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 20, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Live_free - September 21, 2010 at 11:37 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 22, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 22, 2010 at 2:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 3:41 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 24, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 25, 2010 at 2:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 26, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 26, 2010 at 5:31 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 5:08 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 5:45 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - October 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by superstarr - October 5, 2010 at 1:40 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - October 3, 2010 at 12:03 pm
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