RE: [split] Big Announcement and Invitation
May 20, 2015 at 5:01 pm
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2015 at 5:08 pm by Randy Carson.)
(May 20, 2015 at 3:17 am)robvalue Wrote: No, I don't know numbers. But have these people been turned over the police, along with the evidence, to see them jailed? Just kicking them out of the church is not enough.
But at that point, it's up to the civil authorities to prosecute them if the evidence is sufficient.
Quote:As for free will, we could be made so that we only think about and do things that are positive, and cannot conceive of or do anything harmful. I imagine such a world very easily when I close my eyes. Now, if God is in fact hampered by arbitrary rules, then the question becomes is it responsible for him to be doing anything since he is accountable to no one? He has also made my imagination more powerful than him. Don't you find that odd?
That would be kinda like a train which cannot leave the rails on which it rides. It can still only go where the tracks have been laid. How much freedom does the engineer have to go WHEREVER he wants.
Quote:As Esq said, free will does not mean we can do anything. It means we can try. I hold God responsible for the existence of pain, suffering, death, negative emotions etc. If these are all things he cannot work around, then I think it's mighty presumptious of him to just proceed regardless.
Well, you seem to be arguing that God should not have created anything, then.
Quote:Atheism? Atheism makes no claims that it will prevent anything. Theists make the claims that God is in control of everything, so they are the ones saying there is someone who could actually stop things from happening such as child rape, but doesn't. I'm pointing out the flaws in such a belief.
If your website is successful, and everyone in the world becomes an atheist, will child rape stop?
Quote:Give me the keys to the universe and I'll stop it immediately. If God can't stop it, he's not very powerful at all.
Another tyrant is born.