RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
May 22, 2015 at 10:53 am
(This post was last modified: May 22, 2015 at 10:54 am by Anima.)
(May 22, 2015 at 6:40 am)whateverist Wrote: Maybe you should simply ask the question (my bolded) and then try hard to hear and understand the answer. I personally don't believe in gods because I haven't found it necessary or advantageous to do so. There is no justification required as I am not advocating non-belief in gods. I think I understand what it is you find advantageous in having an imaginary friend that is not your self.
In my psyche's house there are many rooms and not all of them were built by me. The otherness you find without, I find within. It isn't a problem for me that you can't understand that not everything that is my self is up to me. I have no problem with metaphysics, I simply reject as an un-necessary the god construct. Believe me, when I still used it, I enjoyed it and that was simpler. Now I'm more tolerant of ambiguity and uncertainty. Or maybe my openness to the truth, what I call faith, is more complete now?
It would seem that I would like to discuss your views with you more but I'm no fan of debate as such. I've already given many responses to some of your points above. Hopefully no offense was given as none was intended, but it had slipped my mind that this was an introduction thread. So welcome to the forums. If you'd like to have a closed discussion on the matters you've brought up I am willing to do so, but assuming you are looking for someone who will espouse the views of an atheist in the manner you conceive of them, I don't think I would be your choice.
I would be more than happy to dialogue with you in a non-debate format. I like your responses, some of which I have answered, some of which i have not, but would like to. I am to understand this is a introduction thread and not a debate thread so I will not press things much further.
I bolded a portion of your statement which I find interesting. If you would be so kind as to expound on that for me when you have the chance. As I have heard the same thing from many evangelicals and protestants, and am to understand is the main reason why those churches preach the gospel of health. Aka. Believe and god give you goodies.
As far as certainty, again I understand that to be more of an evangelical or protestant view of things. As a realist I admit the reality regardless of my belief. As a Catholic I accept that it is by mercy and not by deed (mercy is not justice. Rather mercy is a specific kind of injustice whereby more is given than is deserved). Ergo I am compelled to tolerate ambiguity and uncertainty. Further more in accordance to common prayer:
"May god grant me the courage to change what I can and the humility to accept what I cannot."
Is to continuously strive to be open and accepting.
Let us set up a private thread to discuss.
(May 22, 2015 at 10:48 am)Jenny A Wrote:(May 22, 2015 at 10:40 am)Anima Wrote: A great idea! Would you be so kind as to inform me how I go about doing so?
This is the first time I have ever posted on a forum. So I am not familiar with the way or means of doing anything.
Click the report button. Ask the mods to move this thread to a more appropriate section of the forum. They may PM you with questions. Reply.
While you are waiting for them to respond, come back to the Introductions section and start a new thread just the way you started this one. Introduce yourself. A thread introducing yourself is always the politest way to join a forum.
Thank you very much. I will do as you have said.