RE: Present a BETTER worldview
September 20, 2010 at 4:27 am
(This post was last modified: September 20, 2010 at 6:01 am by Rayaan.)
(September 19, 2010 at 5:50 am)DiRNiS Wrote: BTW, even if the universe had a divine origin, what makes you think it was the particular god you happen to believe in? For all we know, it could have been the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Invisible Pink Unicorn or an Invisible Magic Wizard with the body of a horse and the head of a snake. Or perhaps it wasn't just one deity, but a number of deities, maybe the three beings I mentioned got together and each created one part of the universe. All of these explanations are about as "valid" as "YHWH or Allah did it". I cannot prove any of them wrong, but just because they cannot be disproved does not make them true.The reason that I believe in God and disbelieve in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is pretty simple to explain. The reason is because the Flying Spaghetti Monster is just a name which is commonly used by atheists to compare it with an all-powerful God. The monster can be named anything else, but the point is that using something imaginary like the "FSM" and replacing it with the word "God" does not mean that God is imaginary also. As a Muslim, I believe that there can be only one real God (which is Allah). I think of Him as the Ultimate Truth. So, just like there can be only one "Ultimate Truth" in the universe, I believe that there can be only one true God which is capable of producing everything in the universe. That's why I don't believe in things like flying spaghetti monsters and magical unicorns nor any other gods because there can be only one, true God (since there can be only one ultimate truth to explain the universe).
(September 19, 2010 at 6:59 am)Welsh cake Wrote: Until you actually present evidence "God did it" will remain a non-answer.So, what do you think would serve you as a good enough evidence?
I doubt if God will ever show Himself somewhere in the stars above and speak to us. That'll happen next on the day of resurrection, I believe.
(September 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm)theVOID Wrote: Yeah, again... i think you misunderstand what fine-tuning is, then again his whole "inflation rate of the big bang was fine tuned" is complete nonsense because the inconsistency of inflation is what made gravity non-uniform and thus allowed the formation of influential masses.I guess you could call that fine-tuning if by "fine-tuned" you mean irregular In any case there are an extremely large number of possible inflationary discrepancies that would have produced the same effect, so applying fine-tuning here is misguided at the least.Just look at the Earth and see how finely tuned it is for life. To me it doesn't matter if the rest of the universe is finely turned or not. Furthemore, notice how the human body is so finely tuned for carrying out the basic functions of life.
(September 20, 2010 at 3:52 am)Tiberius Wrote: If you claim that you have reasoning, logic, and intuitive thinking that proves God exists, I want to hear it.Yes, I'm going to make a separate topic when I'm ready to discuss. I'm just thinking about how to present my ideas coherently.