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Present a BETTER worldview
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RE: Present a BETTER worldview
(September 20, 2010 at 5:34 am)blood_pardon Wrote: I agree but who decides whether or not something is illogical or not? Its all a matter of personal opinion.
No it isn't. Logic is well defined. Particular statements are either logical (i.e. they follow logically) or they are not. There isn't any room for interpretation or opinion. It may well be true that some people choose to act irrationally and insist that they are correct despite the flaws in their reasoning. When people have deeply held beliefs, revealing those beliefs as illogical isn't usually taken well.

Quote:Im assuming since you didnt present any of the fallacies you have not interest in changing mine. You dont have the time to write a 100,000 page essay right?
Your assumption, like the rest of your argument, is baseless. I have a great interest in changing your mind. I don't think it can be done by me in this thread; I have neither the time nor the expertise to answer you in any manner that could convince you.

If you want an example of a fallacy you make, it would be this one: "to have just one life permitting universe, you need 1 to 10^500 attempts to get it done"

Ignoring the fact that you do not explain the origin of these numbers, or even how you know that to create a life-permitting universe, you need that many attempts (give that we don't even know if there was an initial "attempt"). Ignoring all that, you are arguing from large numbers, and hoping that we ignore the small numbers. What are the small numbers? Well, you give the start of the range as 1. 1 attempt. What you want us to think is that "gosh, we really might need 10^500 attempts at a universe being created that can sustain life?!?", and from there we think, that is highly improbable; it can't have happened. What you don't want us to think is "wait a minute, he's admitted to the universe maybe only needing 1 attempt to sustain life...that works out fine".

Your use of large numbers is a classic statistical trick that I see a lot. You want us to think that 10^500 is so improbable, it can't happen, but you do not give us any context into which we can put that amount. Your forget the key thing here; even if you have a very low probability of something happening, as long as the probability isn't 0, it can happen on the first go.

Quote:Why do you think Christians come into forums like this and try to convince you your wrong?
I don't doubt that you want to convince us, but if you use fallacious arguments, you aren't going to win any points here. By all means, try to convince us, but if people don't want to, or outright refuse to debate you, it doesn't mean that you automatically win. An opponent's refusal or inability to debate proves nothing about your argument.
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Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 10:04 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 8:59 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2010 at 5:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Paul the Human - September 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by padraic - September 17, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 1:23 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 1:32 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 18, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:42 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:44 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 4:10 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 6:07 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The Omnissiunt One - September 18, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 4:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by DiRNiS - September 19, 2010 at 5:50 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Jaysyn - September 24, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by LastPoet - September 18, 2010 at 6:54 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 6:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by gargantuan - September 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by lrh9 - September 18, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 8:44 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 18, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by krazedkat - September 18, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 19, 2010 at 6:59 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 7:46 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 19, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 20, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by KichigaiNeko - September 20, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 5:34 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:53 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 20, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Live_free - September 21, 2010 at 11:37 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 22, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 22, 2010 at 2:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 3:41 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 24, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 25, 2010 at 2:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 26, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 26, 2010 at 5:31 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 5:08 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 5:45 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - October 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by superstarr - October 5, 2010 at 1:40 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - October 3, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 4, 2010 at 4:46 am

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