(September 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm)blood_pardon Wrote: Im sure there are instances where interpretation and opinion matter a great deal, it would depend on the topic at hand.
No, logic is trivially true (by the definitions given). There is no interpretation as all values are boolean, either true or false.
Quote:Why do you want me to walk away from my faith?
I think he just wants you stop using such a stupid argument.
Firstly, Saying "God did it" just replaces one mystery with another - Instead of asking "why is there anything that can fluctuate at all?" we need "why is there anything to be known at all (all-knowing)" or "why is there anything to have power over" (all-powerful) or "why is there anything that can be described as Good at all?" any one of God's attributes is dependent on their being something to have power and knowledge over etc.
There is also the more fundamental questions of "why is there a god rather than nothing".
None of what you have said solves this problem.
Quote:Im simply stating what is commonly believed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory_landscape
That doesn't say that a life permitting universe has a probability of 1/10^500, it says that according to the Feynman sum of histories there could be as many as 10^500 universes.
It also states that for any given configuration, the more probable ones will occur many times. The most likely outcome was thought to be a re-collapse, where the post-inflationary factors were too uniform, causing gravity to collapse for another attempt at expansion.
Universes like ours, where the cosmic inflation bore inconsistencies that allowed gravity to from matter are less probable, but could still occur 10^? number of times
Universes that had not only inflationary inconsistency but the same initial conditions and laws as our universe are less probably still, though there could effectively still be hundreds of billions of them.
Quote: I agree, but if a person isnt going to present facts then why should they post a response at all to a thread like this? Its like "I can prove you wrong but I just dont want to. So na na nuh na na."
I'm going to argue for them, seeing as I have the time (i'm in a SQL class...).
You have pointed out the fine-tuning problem quite well, though your number of constants and factors 1^120 of whatever it started out is a number pulled out of the ass of some creationist. The differences are believed to be a much more paltry number because there are some instances that can be combined to a single common denominator, such as Electricity, magnetism, the charge of the electron, the speed of light etc can all be put down to the Electromagnetic effect, which in turn can be combined with the weak-force and the strong-force, which may be related to gravity, in this instance there would be as few as 2 actual conditions, energy and a single law, that with some level of randomness and a feedback loop can generate 10^500 combinations of universes.
And the main contention is the one I made previously, supposing God was responsible achieves nothing, you simply replace on mystery with another, and then you can get into the probabilities of any specific God existing which i assure you, since god can be define ad infinitum (is not a confined hypothesis) is infinitely more improbable than us being in a universe that is 1/10^500 other universes of various degrees of difference.
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