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Are Deists more like theists or Atheist?
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RE: Are Deists more like theists or Atheist?
(May 26, 2015 at 11:18 am)robvalue Wrote: My impression is that he had some sort of "the universe/nature is God" kind of belief.

He did say that, but some of his comments don't really fit the idea that he believed that.

Quote:Einstein's views about religious belief have been collected from interviews and original writings. He called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist.[107] He said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized.[108][109] Einstein once wrote: "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but expressed it clearly".[110]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Eins...ious_views

Quote:Agnosticism, deism, and atheism[edit]


Einstein was not an atheist, explaining at one point: "I have repeatedly said that in my opinion the idea of a personal god is a childlike one. You may call me an agnostic, but I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being."[1] According to Prince Hubertus, Einstein said, "In view of such harmony in the cosmos which I, with my limited human mind, am able to recognize, there are yet people who say there is no God. But what really makes me angry is that they quote me for the support of such views."[19]


Einstein had previously explored the belief that man could not understand the nature of God. In an interview published in 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great, Einstein, in response to a question about whether or not he defined himself as a pantheist, explained:


Quote:Your question is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist. I do not know if I can define myself as a Pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. May I not reply with a parable? The human mind, no matter how highly trained, cannot grasp the universe. We are in the position of a little child, entering a huge library whose walls are covered to the ceiling with books in many different tongues. The child knows that someone must have written those books. It does not know who or how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child notes a definite plan in the arrangement of the books, a mysterious order, which it does not comprehend, but only dimly suspects. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of the human mind, even the greatest and most cultured, toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged, obeying certain laws, but we understand the laws only dimly. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that sways the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's Pantheism. I admire even more his contributions to modern thought. Spinoza is the greatest of modern philosophers, because he is the first philosopher who deals with the soul and the body as one, not as two separate things.[20]

In a 1950 letter to M. Berkowitz, Einstein stated that "My position concerning God is that of an agnostic. I am convinced that a vivid consciousness of the primary importance of moral principles for the betterment and ennoblement of life does not need the idea of a law-giver, especially a law-giver who works on the basis of reward and punishment."[21]



According to biographer Walter Isaacson, Einstein was more inclined to denigrate atheists than religious people.[22] Einstein said in correspondence, "[T]he fanatical atheists...are like slaves who are still feeling the weight of their chains which they have thrown off after hard struggle. They are creatures who—in their grudge against the traditional 'opium of the people'—cannot hear the music of the spheres."[22][23] Although he did not believe in a personal God, he indicated that he would never seek to combat such belief because "such a belief seems to me preferable to the lack of any transcendental outlook."[24]


In 1945 Guy Raner, Jr. wrote a letter to Einstein, asking him if it was true that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism. Einstein replied, "I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist. ... It is always misleading to use anthropomorphical concepts in dealing with things outside the human sphere—childish analogies. We have to admire in humility the beautiful harmony of the structure of this world—as far as we can grasp it, and that is all."[25]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_v...t_Einstein


Notice the last paragraph.  One can call him a pantheist, an agnostic, or an atheist, with some degree of accuracy.  What one cannot properly call him is a traditional religionist (not Christian, Jew, etc.).


Edited to add:

I suppose if I were to try to briefly categorize Einstein, I would call him an "agnostic."  If that did not satisfy, and if I were inclined to be indulgent, I would probably say he was a weak atheist, with pantheistic leanings.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Are Deists more like theists or Atheist? - by Twisted - May 26, 2015 at 2:48 am
RE: Are Deists more like theists or Atheist? - by Pyrrho - May 26, 2015 at 11:32 am
RE: Are Deists more like theists or Atheist? - by comet - May 28, 2015 at 10:18 am

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