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Present a BETTER worldview
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RE: Present a BETTER worldview
(September 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm)blood_pardon Wrote: The bible says that if you draw near to Him, He will draw near to you. If you do reach the conclusion that He exists (as many atheists have) then begining a real relationship with Him begins with prayer. It takes alot of faith to sit in a room all alone and talk to a Being you cannot see, it pleases Him though and I assure you if you seek Him you will find Him.

Just because you reach the end of your understanding of the argument and have nothing intelligent to say doesn't mean you get to start preaching. I do not give a flying fuck what's in your ancient book, nor do i give a fuck about your silly religion or your God concept.

You realize every other religion makes these claims about finding God too right? So why should I believe any of these contradictory conclusions to be privy to the truth of reality, let alone your specific theism - the product of bronze-age, illiterate, primitive, barbaric, sand-dwelling Jews?

Quote:I dont think the string theory is more likely than God existing, I think your just saying that because its the only solution that naturlists currently have.

The only solution you have is another mystery - forgive us silly naturalists for using every ounce of reason and knowledge available to us and realising that we have a theory that can explain the fundamental aspects of reality that is both mathematically consistent with what we know about reality and doesn't need a cosmic wizard of some kind...

Also you would be wrong to think that M-theory is the only hypothesis:

There is the possibility that black holes in one universe cause a white hole that spawns another

There is the possibility that some of the constants aren't so constant, which changes the statement from "the universe is within a narrow range of life-permitting parameters" to "this corner of the universe is within a narrow range of life permitting parameters" which completely mitigates the Fine-tunning problem.

There is the idea of the cyclic universe that endlessly expands and collapses each time forming a slightly different inflationary discrepancy, and thus a slightly different universe.

There is also the very real possibility that we haven't even conceived of the answer yet. Even if none of the current propositions are true there is still no case for a cosmic wizard getting involved.

God is a mind, a psychology, which are the most complicated systems in the known universe. To replace simple physics with such a thing and claim that not only have you solved the problem of why there is something rather than nothing, but that it's the most simple explanation for the known universe too makes you deluded.
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Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 10:04 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 11:18 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 17, 2010 at 5:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 17, 2010 at 5:57 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 17, 2010 at 7:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 17, 2010 at 7:24 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 8:59 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Edwardo Piet - September 22, 2010 at 5:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 17, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 5:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Paul the Human - September 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 17, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Skipper - September 17, 2010 at 6:05 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 17, 2010 at 9:51 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by padraic - September 17, 2010 at 10:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 1:03 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 19, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 1:23 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Entropist - September 18, 2010 at 1:32 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 18, 2010 at 3:29 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 18, 2010 at 3:33 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:42 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:44 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 3:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 3:51 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 3:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 4:10 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 6:07 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The Omnissiunt One - September 18, 2010 at 11:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 3:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 19, 2010 at 4:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 19, 2010 at 5:12 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by DiRNiS - September 19, 2010 at 5:50 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:17 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Jaysyn - September 24, 2010 at 8:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 4:11 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by LastPoet - September 18, 2010 at 6:54 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 6:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 18, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by gargantuan - September 18, 2010 at 3:28 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 18, 2010 at 3:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 18, 2010 at 5:18 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by The_Flying_Skeptic - September 18, 2010 at 6:22 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 18, 2010 at 9:17 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by lrh9 - September 18, 2010 at 6:25 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 8:44 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 18, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 18, 2010 at 9:41 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 18, 2010 at 8:39 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by krazedkat - September 18, 2010 at 10:04 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 19, 2010 at 6:59 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 7:46 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ace Otana - September 19, 2010 at 7:57 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 19, 2010 at 2:34 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Watson - September 19, 2010 at 2:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 3:52 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Rayaan - September 20, 2010 at 4:27 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by KichigaiNeko - September 20, 2010 at 5:19 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 5:34 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Tiberius - September 20, 2010 at 6:56 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Ashendant - September 20, 2010 at 9:38 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 20, 2010 at 11:00 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 20, 2010 at 6:53 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 20, 2010 at 4:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 20, 2010 at 11:38 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by theVOID - September 21, 2010 at 4:48 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Live_free - September 21, 2010 at 11:37 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 22, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - September 22, 2010 at 2:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 22, 2010 at 3:41 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Zen Badger - September 24, 2010 at 9:25 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by jason56 - September 23, 2010 at 9:42 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Minimalist - September 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - September 25, 2010 at 2:48 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - September 26, 2010 at 2:02 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - September 26, 2010 at 5:31 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 5:08 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by IceSage - October 3, 2010 at 5:45 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by TheDarkestOfAngels - October 3, 2010 at 1:47 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by superstarr - October 5, 2010 at 1:40 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 3, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by Welsh cake - October 3, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Present a BETTER worldview - by blood_pardon - October 4, 2010 at 4:46 am

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