Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: December 26, 2024, 2:19 am

Poll: What is "will" to you?
This poll is closed.
Radically free in the full blooded libertarian sense.
0%
0 0%
Free but inescapably (and thankfully) constrained.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Compulsory. Nothing gets willed unless I get off my lazy ass.
5.88%
1 5.88%
Free when not impeded by the will of another or circumstances beyond my feeble powers.
11.76%
2 11.76%
"Will" is an illusion of the mind, a concept believed by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Will is epiphenomenal, a byproduct of useful processes of the brain.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Other please explain unless the repeated call to so causes nausea. Check with your doctor to see if your constitution is strong enough for this debate.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Total 17 vote(s) 100%
* You voted for this item. [Show Results]

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
#24
RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
(May 28, 2015 at 10:32 pm)bennyboy Wrote: So let's go to the beinning of mind, and ask a question-- is there a minimal "spark" which constitutes mind?  Some will argue that there's a smooth transition between dumb matter and thinking systems, but I think tha's a semantic cop-out-- either there is a subjective perspective, no matter how simple, or there isn't one.  That means that while the NATURE of mind may have evolved with the complexity of organic brains, the EXISTENCE of mind was necessarily spontaneous.
(bold mine)

You're assuming that subjectivity is a unitary, unified thing that is either present as a whole or absent as a whole. This is exactly the assumption that the contrary view denies. Simply assuming your way to your conclusion is worth nothing. I dismiss your assumption and with it the conclusions that follow.

(May 28, 2015 at 8:29 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(May 28, 2015 at 7:02 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Accuracy in the scientific sense.  I'm primarily concerned with explaining metaphysical details with naturalistic explanations.

The thing with naturalistic explanations is that they can only point to causes of various levels of proximity, but can never point to ultimate causes.  For example, if you ask why I have a mind, it's simple enough to say that it's a byproduct of the brain.  If I disbelieve you, you can smack me in the head in a baseball bat, and it will be clear that my mind is no longer functioning.  But that's like saying "If I pull away this magnet, the magnetic field isn't there anymore.  Therefore the reason magnetic fields exist is that's what magnets do."  That's true, but it's no really the right kind of answer.

It seems to me that all naturalistic explanations have a simple ontology-- they end at a statement of brute fact.  But "The Big Bang diddit" isn't really much more satisfying than "Goddidit," in my opinion.
(bold mine)

You're conflating "have not" achieved a picture of sufficient proximity with "cannot." Who are you to say what future discoveries in the brain sciences will or will not satisfy our desire for a satisfactory explanation. This is simply an argument from ignorance; it's fallacious, and I dismiss it as such.
[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'? - by Angrboda - May 29, 2015 at 11:07 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  The "Take it or leave it" Approach Leonardo17 1 406 November 9, 2022 at 2:06 pm
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  Are the animals luckier than humans? TrueNorth 13 1429 August 19, 2022 at 11:37 am
Last Post: Macoleco
  On theism, why do humans have moral duties even if there are objective moral values? Pnerd 37 4636 May 24, 2022 at 11:49 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Do humans have inherent value? Macoleco 39 3187 June 14, 2021 at 1:58 pm
Last Post: Anomalocaris
  My take on regret Mr.Obvious 20 3389 October 20, 2017 at 7:37 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  Humans are scum ApeNotKillApe 39 11186 May 24, 2016 at 5:16 pm
Last Post: abaris
  Most Humans Do NOT Have Completely Frree Will Rhondazvous 57 7220 April 20, 2016 at 6:46 pm
Last Post: Whateverist
  Do Humans have a Natural State? Shining_Finger 13 2918 April 1, 2016 at 4:42 am
Last Post: robvalue
  What could Redeem Humans? Shining_Finger 72 10700 December 6, 2015 at 10:01 am
Last Post: DespondentFishdeathMasochismo
  Moral law in Humans and other animals The Reality Salesman01 13 4591 February 28, 2015 at 1:32 am
Last Post: The Reality Salesman01



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)