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Poll: What is "will" to you?
This poll is closed.
Radically free in the full blooded libertarian sense.
0%
0 0%
Free but inescapably (and thankfully) constrained.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Compulsory. Nothing gets willed unless I get off my lazy ass.
5.88%
1 5.88%
Free when not impeded by the will of another or circumstances beyond my feeble powers.
11.76%
2 11.76%
"Will" is an illusion of the mind, a concept believed by idiots, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Will is epiphenomenal, a byproduct of useful processes of the brain.
23.53%
4 23.53%
Other please explain unless the repeated call to so causes nausea. Check with your doctor to see if your constitution is strong enough for this debate.
17.65%
3 17.65%
Total 17 vote(s) 100%
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Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'?
(May 29, 2015 at 11:07 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You're assuming that subjectivity is a unitary, unified thing that is either present as a whole or absent as a whole.  This is exactly the assumption that the contrary view denies.  Simply assuming your way to your conclusion is worth nothing.  I dismiss your assumption and with it the conclusions that follow.
However you define mind's gradations or evolutions, the fact is that in a given system, either some type of mind exists or it does not. Are you suggesting there are some cases in which it both exists AND does not?

You suggest that mind may be present in a third state-- a part of a mind. But that's not right-- this "divided" mind either still has the capacity to hold a subjective perspective, in which case it is still mind, or it does not represent a subjective perspective, in which case it is not mind at all. You are really arguing against the sentence AFTER the on you bolded, in which I clearly differentiated between the nature of a particular kind of mind, and the existence of mind as opposed to its non-existence. Psychology is not psychogony.

Quote:You're conflating "have not" achieved a picture of sufficient proximity with "cannot."
I have a reason for thinking we cannot point to ultimate causes. "Ultimate" means end-of-the line, can't go further, that's all there is, there are no more links in the chain of causality to follow. But to determine we've arrived at the ultimate cause would require us to know what we don't know, which is a logical impossibility.
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RE: Do Humans Have Compulsary Will? Which best describes your take on 'will'? - by bennyboy - May 29, 2015 at 11:55 am

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