RE: Hello, Anyone interested in a debate?
June 6, 2015 at 1:35 pm
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2015 at 1:42 pm by nihilistcat.)
The Catholic Church does the best job of obfuscating this issue (with sophistic gymnastics) .... when in reality, it shouldn't matter how much Catholic scholars like Aristotelian ethics or metaphysics, when the entire claim that underlies the existence of the Catholic Church (and all churches), is bullshit.
I mean, we don't need the Catholic Church to like Aristotle, we can just read Aristotle for ourselves (although his view of causation i.e. his four causes, is grossly outdated ... but I digress).
At the end of the day, Catholic apologetics is no more compelling than that of any other faith system. They almost all use some sort of cosmological argument to (in their mind) prove the existence of god (but cosmological arguments are also outdated, and just grossly flawed for a whole host of reasons). But from there, it's all about showing the utility of religion (e.g. religion instills morality, it provides a sense of purpose, without religion we would all collectively turn to nihilism, etc. etc.). In other words, who cares if it's bullshit, as long as it's beneficial bullshit.
Look, if we're going to say that truth is a secondary consideration, then okay (I'd entertain that argument), but even if we did make that sort of determination, surely we come up with better bullshit than the buy-bulls of the world. Fuck it ... John Lennon would make a great neo-Jesus, and hell, I might even attend a church that sang Imagine on Sundays (the irony notwithstanding)
I mean, we don't need the Catholic Church to like Aristotle, we can just read Aristotle for ourselves (although his view of causation i.e. his four causes, is grossly outdated ... but I digress).
At the end of the day, Catholic apologetics is no more compelling than that of any other faith system. They almost all use some sort of cosmological argument to (in their mind) prove the existence of god (but cosmological arguments are also outdated, and just grossly flawed for a whole host of reasons). But from there, it's all about showing the utility of religion (e.g. religion instills morality, it provides a sense of purpose, without religion we would all collectively turn to nihilism, etc. etc.). In other words, who cares if it's bullshit, as long as it's beneficial bullshit.
Look, if we're going to say that truth is a secondary consideration, then okay (I'd entertain that argument), but even if we did make that sort of determination, surely we come up with better bullshit than the buy-bulls of the world. Fuck it ... John Lennon would make a great neo-Jesus, and hell, I might even attend a church that sang Imagine on Sundays (the irony notwithstanding)