RE: Scientific arguments for eating Organic/non-GMO food?
June 6, 2015 at 4:13 pm
(This post was last modified: June 6, 2015 at 4:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Trouble with 1 is that organic and conventional farms use -the same pesticides(poisons), bought from the same distributors, manufactured by the same producers...this is mostly because organic farms and conventional farms -are the same farms-. Organics 'aint a mom and pop business anymore, and the certification is both voluntary, un-enforced...and in many cases ....unenforceable. So even in areas where there -should be- differences....there simply aren't. People have a strange idea of what it means to be organic..in truth, it has nothing to do with pesticides. Organic Certification is the recognition that you have undertaken a specific -soil management policy-. Nothing else.
Argument seems to be that organics mean "less pesticides" - the reverse is true, demonstrably. Many small farmers have now realized how valuable this information is to their "no/low pesticide" farms. They don;t take the trouble to go organic, and they educate the public on what -actually- means.
Argument seems to be that an organic poison is less poisonous than a conventional poison to workers (or that workers aren't given RTFI -return to field intervals- for -both), or that, as above..they use different poisons or less poison. Pesticides are chosen because of their toxicity. Toxicity is not rated by the metrics of organic/conventional. There is no row in the excel file for that....organic pyrithrin is equally toxic compared to conventional pyrithrin - precisely equal, in fact, because they are the same substance with identical delivery. That organics are forced to use -more- pesticides is simply the effect of locking out broad spectrum, relatively stable (and thus long lasting) pesticides from the model (soil management..remember?). They have to spray more not because they use a different chemical, not because it is less lethal, it is simply less stable and so washes away (and into our streams and rivers..yay!) faster, leading to shorter intervals between application in order to achieve effect. This also accounts for the price disparity (not including the novelty value), btw.......though you'll hear all sorts of shit about "oh the bugs" and "our yields aren;t artificially enhanced". It would tank their business model to explain to you, in simple - unimpeachable terms- complete with supporting numbers from their own books and the books of their co-competitors.........that they spend alot more on pesticide than "the other guys".
Organics have been a victim of their own success, if you ask me. I've done it, I can see the profit potential - but to me...it isn't worth the hassle of doing 1 group and 50 individual tours a day intentionally misleading people for all the best of reasons.....lol. Organic =/= sustainable. Organic =/= pesticide free (or even pesticide "a little less"). Organic =/= delicious. I'm more interested in sustainable, pesticide free food that is delicious....the first and the last are easy....the one in the middle pits me against a more than competent adversary in a "forever war"...lol.
(I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from organics, there are reasons other than ad copy to buy them, just trying to offer a little clarity where the water has been intentionally muddied by those with vested interests -for quite some time-)
Argument seems to be that organics mean "less pesticides" - the reverse is true, demonstrably. Many small farmers have now realized how valuable this information is to their "no/low pesticide" farms. They don;t take the trouble to go organic, and they educate the public on what -actually- means.
Argument seems to be that an organic poison is less poisonous than a conventional poison to workers (or that workers aren't given RTFI -return to field intervals- for -both), or that, as above..they use different poisons or less poison. Pesticides are chosen because of their toxicity. Toxicity is not rated by the metrics of organic/conventional. There is no row in the excel file for that....organic pyrithrin is equally toxic compared to conventional pyrithrin - precisely equal, in fact, because they are the same substance with identical delivery. That organics are forced to use -more- pesticides is simply the effect of locking out broad spectrum, relatively stable (and thus long lasting) pesticides from the model (soil management..remember?). They have to spray more not because they use a different chemical, not because it is less lethal, it is simply less stable and so washes away (and into our streams and rivers..yay!) faster, leading to shorter intervals between application in order to achieve effect. This also accounts for the price disparity (not including the novelty value), btw.......though you'll hear all sorts of shit about "oh the bugs" and "our yields aren;t artificially enhanced". It would tank their business model to explain to you, in simple - unimpeachable terms- complete with supporting numbers from their own books and the books of their co-competitors.........that they spend alot more on pesticide than "the other guys".
Organics have been a victim of their own success, if you ask me. I've done it, I can see the profit potential - but to me...it isn't worth the hassle of doing 1 group and 50 individual tours a day intentionally misleading people for all the best of reasons.....lol. Organic =/= sustainable. Organic =/= pesticide free (or even pesticide "a little less"). Organic =/= delicious. I'm more interested in sustainable, pesticide free food that is delicious....the first and the last are easy....the one in the middle pits me against a more than competent adversary in a "forever war"...lol.
(I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from organics, there are reasons other than ad copy to buy them, just trying to offer a little clarity where the water has been intentionally muddied by those with vested interests -for quite some time-)
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