(June 6, 2015 at 9:11 am)Randy Carson Wrote:(June 4, 2015 at 2:20 pm)nicanica123 Wrote: Sorry, I should have clarified. I just wanted context before I answered... So those scriptures that you mentioned. They are a series of scriptures that are making me doubt. Not the truth about god but rather, if the scriptures do not have divine backing then clearly its impossible for there to be singularity in the teachings. That being said, in the book of Revelation, there are obvious scriptures that are being applied to Jesus that call him the first and the last. And there is a scripture that is clearly applied to Jehovah that also uses the same moniker, "first and last." So is this like the term, "greatest of all time"? I could refer to Jack Nicklaus as the greatest of all time in golf and Muhamed Ali as the greatest of all time in boxing. No one would say that they are the same person or that the term "GOAT" has the same application. So is the first and last phrase required to mean the same application? I don't think so. So is this like a Muhammad Ali and cacious clay type of thing? Same person but different names? Maybe, but when I read the New Testament as a whole, Jesus own words imply that God is separate from him and a greater being than he is. So the few scriptures that seem to imply that they are the same should be taken with the entire context of the entire NT.
Sorry for the delayed response. Remind me if I missed a specific point you raised
When we are referring to Jack Nicklaus and Mohammed Ali, we are referring to people who are known for their acheivement in their respective sports. Michael Jordan played what sport? (he played baseball, too). Bo Jackson was a famous ______ player (football or baseball? He was both.).
Now, there are how many gods? One.
So, in the context of sacred scripture, when the text refers to God and Jesus as the "First as the Last" and that the "First and the Last" died, we can know that the text is equating Jesus with God.
So what about When Paul referred to those in the Philipian congregation that let their bellies become their gods? Or 2 Corinthins where Paul refers to Satan as the god of this system. I believe in one almighty god. But that word god has multiple meanings. Even in John 1:1 it says that the word was WITH god and in some translations, it was god and some, it was A god. First of all, how can you be with something and it at the same time? Second of all, the grammar of the 2 words translated god in John 1:1 are different. The first is the definite article, the second is indefinite. I do believe that Jehovah would be the only uncaused cause in the universe. Even Colossians 1:15,16, Jesus is the FIRSTBORN of creation. That implies that Jesus had a cause. I know you are familiar with WLC's arguments so you should follow what I am getting at. And then we have Jesus' own words. He didn't do his own will but his fathers. He pleads with god to forgive those for what they don't know. He says that no one is good but the father in heaven. These are a few scriptures out of many that differentiate the two. So for me, I am not going to read a shared moniker and assume that the two are equal and the same.