(June 15, 2015 at 4:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(June 15, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Anima Wrote: Ha ha. "I have gained this by philosophy, to do without being commanded what other do for fear of the law." - Aristotle-then get to arguing that, rather than stating it contrary to any number of examples given. So, lets get to the heart of this trilemna, eh? It's either
I am arguing a person must make such an appeal otherwise they will act according to subjectivity (in which every act is right) or they will be acting according to utility (in which case the action is right based solely on the end and not the means).
A: person appeals to a fictitious entity
B: person acts according to subjectivity
b2 in which every act is right (lol......classy, btw)
or
C: person acts according to utility
c2 in which every action is right (still classy)
That about sum up my options? That the entire breadth of the field? You haven't tried to take liberties with any of that, I assume? I couldn't, for example, mention that our moralities (you and I, specifically) are subjective....and that many of your acts are wrong? I could not concede that your fictitious appeal might help you to keep your hands off other peoples necks..that you might need it, and still tell you that if god is why you keep your hands off a persons neck that you are morally defective?
Hmm. To put it in a similar manner I would say it is as follows first I argued:
1. A person acts according to ethical utility, an argument to numbers, which leads to immoral actions.
2. A person makes an appeal to authority in order to override the appeal to numbers to engage in immoral actions.
3. The authority appealed to will not be supported by direct explicit empirical proof and thus may be considered fictional.
4. Thus, one must appeal to a fictional entity (their person, conscience, schema, or deity) in order to have an authority to override utility.
Then I argued:
1. An appeal to authority, where the authority is subjective results in a morality based on whims.
2. An appeal to authority, where the authority is objective (in actuality or proxy) results in morality that overrides whims.
3. A person engages in the act believed to be subjectively best/correct/right.
4. Under subjective determination all acts are right; under objective determination all acts are not right.