Biblical Prayer Contradictions

[Salacious B. Crumb]

Why would it make me a hypocrite and,  and because as you say I'm not a hypocrite in this matter isn't that a good thing. The Koran does have bad things in it, what all they are I do not know. The Bible records many bad things, why, because they happened, of many we have proof.

You, by spending time running the koran into the ground with smears of the bad things contained it, would make you a hypocrite because there are many bad things in the bible as well, so that’s why you shouldn’t smear it. Say, if you attacked the koran for calling for the death of non-believers evil, but ignored the fact in the bible, that your moral god tells you that you can beat your slaves, to me, that’s hypocritical. You’re ignoring the bad parts in your book, and attacking the bad parts in the koran. I’m not accusing you, I’m giving you an example.

Care to prove this claim, I'll be interest to see the proof you have against my knowing. In the NT the scriptures teach that we can know, it does this more than once, how many times, I am not sure, what I'm sure of is it does teach we can know, it's taught by Jesus and Paul.

Yeah, why not, it’s quite easy, actually. We can’t prove many of the stories in the bible, they are just that, stories. So, what you claim to know about these stories to be true, the burden of proof is on you to prove that they’re true, until then they’re just wild, outlandish beliefs. I’ll be interested to hear the proof of all these insane stories in the bible, and how you have proved them to be true.

As I’ve said, the bible, the koran, the vedas, etc. are just books that contain stories written by man, and they haven’t been proven true. I don’t know how you’re going to prove to me that Adam and Eve were the first humans, or how you’re going to prove that Jonah had a sleepover in a whale, or how you’re going to prove that jesus is the son of god, but I’m listening.

because God has revealed to many Christians the Bible is the only truth from Him to mankind.

Proof? ..or I’ll settle for decent evidence. And why many christians? Why not everyone? Does god want people to burn in hell, is that why he doesn't reveal the 'truth' to everyone?

The Bible does claim to be a book about God and the relationship man can have with Him. We call this a spiritual book. It does make the claim to be a book of absolute truth inspired by God, written by man, with the guidance from the Holy Spirit. We call this a book to be taken seriously. The Bible claims to be a book of spiritual teaching, teachings that will better a mans life above what he believes he can accomplish on his own, I'm a living example of this.

I would agree, they are claims, and that’s it. I don’t understand how people can believe them. Practically everyone claims to have this relationship with their own version of god, but I don’t believe them. I believe that they actually think this, but I think they’re having a relationship with a character in their own mind, since this god doesn’t want to appear to everyone, just a few people, ..and we’re supposed to believe these claims? Smart people shouldn’t be this gullible.

On this we agree, actually only one religion is true out of the thousands. It's established by God for man and taught through the OT and NT.

Again, Proof?? Any strong evidence to suggest there is something to these stories, besides them being written in a book, and the fact that you think you have a relationship with god? J.K. Rawlings says Harry Potter does magic, and I don’t believe it. Just because it’s written in a book or because it’s on a T.V. screen doesn’t make the story of him completely true. I could claim that he is my god, and I have a relationship with him, but would never say that I know this for sure.

—Evolution, I’m not even wasting my time. You can go on google, type in transitional fossils, and you have a plethora of evidence that you can look at. Real evidence, showing change over time. Not claims written in a book, with nothing real to show for the crazy ass claims. You can accept them or just be ignorant, that’s your choice. Don’t be dishonest and say there no transitions. You can actually look at skulls side by side and see transitional change. You admit, that there is small change that’s been observed, why not over millions of years, could such a large change happen within all these tiny changes from generation to generation? There are facts out there, if you choose to accept them.

—As for superstitions, I have none that I’m aware of, but will be happy to listen to people who know me, and I’d happily correct them. I use to avoid walking under ladders when I was religious, and then realized how ridiculous that was, because some goof made it up, just like the religion I was following. I realized how stupid it was, and I stopped believing in it. That’s what honest, open-minded people do, they see something wrong that they’re doing/believing, and they take steps to correct those issues.

What's the use in studying other religions, they are all based on superstition, you admitted to this earlier, they are useless in the greater scheme of God's plan for mankind

Yeah, I’m kind of curious why you’re still in your man-made superstition. I guess you still believe that it isn’t a superstition/religion, and that it’s true. Also, it’s not useless, because that was a step in my de-conversion. I saw similarities in previous religions regarding christianity. I saw that the immaculate conception was not an original story, I saw how many people were claiming to be savior and the son of god during the time of jesus and claiming to do miracles, I saw how raising someone from the dead wasn't an original story, I saw the water into wine and walking on water wasn’t an original story either, etc. I saw how christianity just adopted jewish tradition, and added things to it. I saw how the jewish faith copied things from sumerian myths. I saw how after christianity, that muslims adopted many of the stories from the old testament, and took jesus as a prophet, and tweaked the story a little bit and added to it, to make it their own islam faith. You can actually look at the evolution of religion over time too, and see how it slowly changes with new stories, information, or with modern morality. It helps to look at this with an open mind, or you’re just going to keep making arguments from ignorance over and over again.