(June 19, 2015 at 3:33 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: No, no, no. I'm not asking how does one believe anything about god, I'm asking how does one know. Disappointed again.
The truth is, Drich, you don't know. You may believe a ton of stuff about god. You may imagine a ton of stuff about god. You may think a ton of stuff about god. But you don't know. Because by definition, faith is not knowing. Because there's nothing to know. No substance. Nothing real. You can stretch, interpret, ask and seek and knock. But you will never know. If there was something to know, all you would have to do is acknowledge it. But you need to go through all of this trouble, with a/s/king, interpreting and personal revelations.....because you don't know.
Nobody ever did. They just made shit up. That's what faith is: not knowing the answer to an uncomfortable question and making one up that makes you feel better.
To see the day a theist admits to that....sigh.
Then define what it is to know.
Because if I tell you I am lactose intolerant, then you 'know' that I am lactose intolerant. If God tell me He is the alpha and Omega and shows me what that means exactly, then I 'know' He is the alpha and Omega.
which fits the definition provided by google:
know
nō/
verb
verb: know; 3rd person present: knows; past tense: knew; gerund or present participle: knowing; past participle: known
- 1.
be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
"most people know that CFCs can damage the ozone layer"
synonyms:
be aware, realize, be conscious, be informed; More
notice, perceive, see, sense, recognize;
informalbe clued in, savvy
"who knows I'm here?"
- have knowledge or information concerning.
"I would write to him if I knew his address"
synonyms:
have knowledge of, be informed of, be apprised of;
formalbe cognizant of
"I think Mary knows his address"
- be absolutely certain or sure about something.
"I just knew it was something I wanted to do"
- 2.
have developed a relationship with (someone) through meeting and spending time with them; be familiar or friendly with.
"he knew and respected Laura"
synonyms:
be acquainted with, have met, be familiar with; More
be friends with, be friendly with, be on good terms with, be close to, be intimate with
"I know only a few people here"
- have a good command of (a subject or language).
synonyms:
be familiar with, be conversant with, be acquainted with, have knowledge of, be versed in, have mastered, have a grasp of, understand, comprehend; More
have learned, have memorized, be up to speed on
"you should know the rules beforehand"
- recognize (someone or something).
"Isabel couldn't hear the words clearly, but she knew the voice"
- be familiar or acquainted with (something).
"a little restaurant she knew near Times Square"
- have personal experience of (an emotion or situation).
"a man who had known better times"
synonyms:
experience, go through, live through, undergo, taste
"he had known better times"
- regard or perceive as having a specified characteristic.
"he is also known as an amateur painter"
- give (someone or something) a particular name or title.
"the doctor was universally known as “Hubert.”"
- be able to distinguish one person or thing from (another).
"you are convinced you know your own baby from any other in the world"
synonyms:
distinguish, tell (apart), differentiate, discriminate; More
recognize, pick out, identify
"my brothers don't know a saucepan from a frying pan"