RE: Why Does Atheism Have to be False?
June 21, 2015 at 5:00 am
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 5:04 am by crosssaves.)
(June 21, 2015 at 4:25 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Not this again.
The argument here boils down to everything needs a cause....except this one thing.
Crosssaves then tacks on that it happens to be the thing they believed in all the time, how convenient.
Maybe the thing that doesn't require a cause is the universe!
At least we know that that is a real thing unlike what ever flavour of god crossaves believes in.
The one thing that doesn't need a cause is that which is uncreated. It would be illogical to say the uncaused cause has a cause. That's a self-contradiction.
We all have an ability to recognize this simple proof of the uncreated Creator in the opening post so none of us are without excuse. Not everyone who accepts the uncreated Creator have accepted the true uncreated Creator in history. You still have to get the right God.
As was already said the universe could not always have existed, without a cause, because you would have happened already, having had an eternity to do so. You would need to address this problem of your beliefs in the opening post.
The real thing is the uncreated Creator. All flows from Him. Like I said, don't argue over which uncreated Creator is the correct one before realizing the uncreated Creator exists. That is jumping ahead getting ahead of yourself.
(June 21, 2015 at 4:58 am)Alex K Wrote: Your notion of creating or causing something outside time and space is invalid. Causation relies on a time line.
Supernatural causation does not rely on time, obviously, since it brings time into existence and nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time an space, being uncreated BECAUSE nature could not always have existed. At least you agree that which does not exist can't bring time and space into being.
