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Church and State
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RE: Church and State
(June 24, 2015 at 11:18 pm)das_atheist Wrote:
(June 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: So, because non-religious people don't have the religious records, the option to provide them should be taken away from religious people?  I'm going to ask again: what forms of records could a family of unbelievers have that should be accepted by the government in lieu of them?
Religious records are not controlled by the state so they cannot be trusted. The options of delayed birth certificate, hospital records, and early school records are more than enough for both believers and nonbelievers. 

(June 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: That, I can kind of see, but I still think it's silly to take away an option to present any kind of childhood evidence to help one make the case that they have the right to a passport.  Let me put it another way: if there were parallel records an atheist family could present to obtain a passport, would you still have a problem with it?
The only evidence the state should accept for proof of citizenship should be state controlled records. I don't think atheist should have an easier way to fake their citizenship either.

... but hospital and school records aren't necessarily controlled by the state, either. And why do you assume "faked" citizenship?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
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Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 4:54 pm
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2015 at 5:01 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 6:28 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Church and State - by vorlon13 - June 24, 2015 at 5:27 pm
RE: Church and State - by Minimalist - June 24, 2015 at 5:47 pm
RE: Church and State - by Faith No More - June 24, 2015 at 6:33 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 6:36 pm
RE: Church and State - by Minimalist - June 24, 2015 at 6:41 pm
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2015 at 6:42 pm
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2015 at 6:44 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 6:56 pm
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2015 at 7:47 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 8:18 pm
RE: Church and State - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 8:01 pm
RE: Church and State - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 8:38 pm
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 24, 2015 at 7:55 pm
RE: Church and State - by Metis - June 24, 2015 at 7:59 pm
Church and State - by KUSA - June 24, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: Church and State - by brewer - June 24, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 9:09 pm
RE: Church and State - by brewer - June 24, 2015 at 9:18 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 9:22 pm
RE: Church and State - by brewer - June 24, 2015 at 9:26 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 9:25 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: Church and State - by brewer - June 24, 2015 at 10:01 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 9:16 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 9:18 pm
Church and State - by KUSA - June 24, 2015 at 9:21 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 9:48 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 10:58 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 11:18 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 24, 2015 at 11:44 pm
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 24, 2015 at 11:51 pm
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 25, 2015 at 12:00 am
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 25, 2015 at 12:06 am
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 25, 2015 at 12:17 am
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 25, 2015 at 12:20 am
RE: Church and State - by rexbeccarox - June 25, 2015 at 12:21 am
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 25, 2015 at 12:42 am
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 25, 2015 at 2:04 am
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 25, 2015 at 2:13 am
RE: Church and State - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 25, 2015 at 2:25 am
RE: Church and State - by das_atheist - June 25, 2015 at 2:32 am

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