(June 26, 2015 at 12:40 pm)SteveII Wrote: I don't recall any passage that would be similar to a human smiting another in anger in an unjustified or hasty manner. Judgment was always declared prior to the consequence.That he was not hasty in carrying out judgment doesn't mean it wasn't done in anger. The Bible says that god is slow to anger, not that he does not become angry. If his pronouncements are perfect, then we can expect that he will not change the judgment that he arrived at in anger. Otherwise, he would have no cause to become angry.
SteveII Wrote:The major lesson in Job is that bad things do not happen because of retribution or because God was unaware (the two options that Job postulated for his plight). The running of the universe and all the events from creation to the end of it is a little more complicated and cries of "injustice" are not warranted. Understanding our position in relationship with God is important when discussing whether God is a "murderous prick".My point was that after everything he'd allowed to happen to Job, god humbled him for daring to expect an explanation. Job was confused (justifiably so) to have been treated as he was when he had been an upright and blameless man. God explained to Job that he had no right to expect anything from the mighty lord of the universe. Job was to know his place and be content with that. For all of the rewards that he received afterwards, Job must have spent the rest of his days knowing that his world could easily be turned inside-out again at any time, whether he liked it or not.
SteveII Wrote:You simply can't have love without freewill. That's what God wanted for us between each other and toward him.I don't see why not. I'm not aware that love is an emotion that we simply choose to feel. If god wanted us to love him, then he could have implemented the best outcome right from the start. Everyone would be saved, everyone would get to know him personally, and everyone would love him for it. Having selected an option that leaves the majority of people on the outside looking in (a fate that god expected, based on Jesus' words about the wide vs narrow path) is not the sort of thing that would engender love. Fear or resentment, perhaps. But not love.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould