Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

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I've never met anyone either, I have been made aware of the fact Satan exists, it comes from God and now by what I see in many people. God has made it abundantly clear He exists in my life and has everything to offer that's good. Satan on the other hand is called the deceiver, he would rather people believe he doesn't exist, it's to his advantage for people to believe this and Satan has nothing to offer, he's now a pawn in God's great plan and he hates it.

If Satan gets what he wants when people aren't able to get close enough to god, then god should foil his plans.  Why give Satan what he wants?

God must allow Satan some freedoms, if He didn't Satan and those who support him would accuse God of manipulation. It boils down to this it's not what Satan wants and never was, it's about people having the freedom to choose to love God or reject Him.

You know what I find really strange about Eve's attitude when she dealt with the serpent, she told him before hand she would die and even added to the commandment from God about toughing the fruit as if to emphasize that she wasn't going to eat it. Seemed to me she knew that no matter what the serpent said she would die if she disobeyed God.

God said they were a stubborn, hardheaded clan and that this attitude would come to bite them, low and behold it did. The great problem the Israelites had was they believed they owned God because He told them they were a special people, they forgot to ask why He considered them special and when God told them they didn't believe what they heard.

That's what I mean.  Even a stubborn person who had seen what they had seen would have had to understand the situation, and why acting against god made no sense.

 
Not when they thought they owned God and that He wouldn't do anything about their sin, they were special after all. They must have believe they were so special God wouldn't punish them. You think man can rationalize powers that can destroy. During the Cuban Missile Crisis one Russian sailor and only him had the sense to not use the nuclear missiles on the sub he was on, if he hadn't disobeyed the order we would have been engaged in a war beyond belief, only one man in actuality saved the world from a nuclear disaster. Think about it, had not the man been sent on that particular sub we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I may not like that it is raining outside, but if I have to go out I will get my umbrella.  That these people made such bad decisions in light of what they knew is impossible to believe.

Going out in the rain with an umbrella and defying God are not even close to the same thing. I hope what I wrote above will give you a rational about people and their greed of self interest.

Right they had a physical encounter with Christ and understood clearly what God was capable of.

And this is something that is not offered to everyone today.  If the people who experienced Jesus were capable of stumbling or even turning against him, then it means that there is something in our design that leads us to make extraordinarily bad decisions.

You're right, the sin nature that we all inherited from Adam and Eve once they unleashed it from themselves. Explain how Christ was suppose to start His ministry without showing himself to those who wee to carry on the ministry. Jesus told Thomas blessed are those who believe without seeing, He certainly must have meant we would receive something extra because we are not given the physical knowledge they had.

 If this were the case, then god has deliberately stacked the deck against most of humanity.  That goes completely against the idea that he is a loving person who wishes for everyone to be saved.

I know we've discussed this before yet you keep ignoring it and I do not understand why you do such a thing. God has given us the choice to choose Him in love or to reject Him for whatever we decide, He loves us enough to not force us into His serves but wants us to decide for ourselves. God does not wish for anything, the scriptures use the word desires, wishing is only for those who are not omniscient.

Christ told Thomas you have believed because you saw, but blessed are those who will believe without seeing. Because of our faith in the unseen God we can be blessed with the same knowledge that those who saw Him had, does this make sense to you?

I think that Jesus was telling Thomas that --having seen all the things that he had done already and his predictions about his own resurrection-- he should've trusted his fellow disciples and not been so suspicious.  I don't think it means that we are blessed if we believe something with no evidence whatsoever.  Otherwise we are blessed for not believing in god just as you might be blessed for believing in him.  Without a basis for belief, faith is meaningless.

I disagree totally with your answer. God calls all and gives us the opportunity to have faith, it's not His fault people ignores His calling and refuse to receive the faith He will give for belief. I'm really confused how you were able to rationalize the answer. 

Since there is a God that doesn't have a leg to stand on.

But no one has convinced me that there is a god.

It's not up to people to convince you that God's real, that is what God will do for those who seek to know Him. God knows when a persons heart is really seeking and He will answer. Scripture actually teaches this.

 And the evidence leads me towards the conclusion that there isn't one.

What evidence, I've never seen any evidence that God doesn't exist, but then since God has revealed himself to me I know no such evidence exists.

 For me, the world as it exists makes more sense as the result of unguided events, not the hand of a benevolent and loving deity who wants me to be saved, but leaves me in a situation where the odds make it very likely that I will fail, and blames me for failing.  That's not what good, fair, and just people do.

Then you must believe in coincidences beyond any belief I could ever muster. God's loved you so much that he gave up His only Son to a cross, a sacrificial lamb to be the atonement for your sins that you have no way of clearing off the books. The odds are in your favor, you've been told of the gift of grace through Christ, all you have to do is ask with a true heart.

Enjoy the weekend and stay safe.

Thank you, I did both.

GC