(July 2, 2015 at 6:50 pm)popsthebuilder Wrote: The splendor of our existence and everything we have the potential to destroy or help is proof. All this didn't happen on it's own. Sorry. Something at least got the ball Rollin. Whatever that is is God. It's not something you see. Well really it is because it is in everything, but the connection really is something you feel.
Ah, the classic argument from ignorance, or the "God of the Gaps" fallacy. We don't know what's responsible for X, therefore god, right?
Wrong! The fact is that your statement should stop with "we don't know." Any time you go beyond that and say "so it must be x," you're actually just speculating and arguing from ignorance. You've already postulated that you don't know because you don't have enough information to know, so how will you now then turn around and postulate an answer that is based on...what, your lack of knowledge? Lack of evidence? What, then, is the justification for believing your claim?
Since you've established that nobody else you know believes like you do, the simple fact is that you have made up your own god, which no one can corroborate except you and which you cannot corroborate with evidence. "We're here and must have come from somewhere, therefore god" is not evidence, nor does it even qualify as a legitimate argument.
If that's how you're proving god to yourself, your standard of evidence is just not very high. Anyone can tell themselves anything they want; that doesn't make it true.
If you were really an atheist for 25 years and then decided to find religion...what can I say? You fucked up. You had it right, and then you fucked it up. Why would you do that? My guess is that you didn't have a logical basis for your beliefs before, and so it didn't take much to change them. I guess it's true what they say...if you don't stand on something solid, you really will fall for anything.
Listen, we don't ask much. All we want is one fact. One measly little fact that isn't a 2,000+ year old alleged miracle. Not apologetics, not a bunch of bullshit logical circles and hypothetical hoop-jumping...just one measly shred of observable evidence. That's all. The fact that theists can't produce it is telling, to say the least.
Verbatim from the mouth of Jesus (retranslated from a retranslation of a copy of a copy):
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you too will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. How can you see your brother's head up his ass when your own vision is darkened by your head being even further up your ass? How can you say to your brother, 'Get your head out of your ass,' when all the time your head is up your own ass? You hypocrite! First take your head out of your own ass, and then you will see clearly who has his head up his ass and who doesn't." Matthew 7:1-5 (also Luke 6: 41-42)
Also, I has a website: www.RedbeardThePink.com
