(July 5, 2015 at 12:05 pm)Nestor Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 9:25 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: The Minimal Facts are:Oh, okay. By "Minimal Facts" I thought you meant a minimal reliance on facts!
1. Jesus died by crucifixion
2. Jesus' disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
3. Saul, the persecutor of the Church, was suddenly changed
4. James, the skeptical brother of Jesus, was suddenly changed
5. Jesus' tomb was found to be empty
In subsequent posts, I will present the evidence in support of each of these facts.
1. Granted.
2. Granted.
3. Granted.
4. Not granted. How skeptical was he? How do you know?
5. Not granted. Why does nobody know, nor seem interested, in this empty tomb, until decades after the Resurrection myth has developed to mean a corporeal, earthly body?
Do you think if one grants all 5, that constitutes "evidence" for a Resurrection? Why even attempt to supplement your conclusion with these possible facts when such an irrational and improbable inference is required anyway?
Nestor-
I'm pleased to see you online again...I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you.
I'm also pleased with your granting of the first three points of my OP. I have not posted the evidence for points 4 & 5, yet, but I will soon.
As for James' skepticism, we have multiple attestation for this:
Mark 3:20-21
20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”
John 7:1-5
7 After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want[a] to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.