RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 5, 2015 at 12:50 pm
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2015 at 1:02 pm by Mudhammam.)
(July 5, 2015 at 12:15 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Nestor-Well, my reply was swallowed up by the forum somehow, so I'll try again.
I'm pleased to see you online again...I was beginning to wonder what had happened to you.
I'm also pleased with your granting of the first three points of my OP. I have not posted the evidence for points 4 & 5, yet, but I will soon.
As for James' skepticism, we have multiple attestation for this:
Mark 3:20-21
20 Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. 21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.”
John 7:1-5
7 After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want[a] to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him. 2 But when the Jewish Festival of Tabernacles was near, 3 Jesus’ brothers said to him, “Leave Galilee and go to Judea, so that your disciples there may see the works you do. 4 No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world.” 5 For even his own brothers did not believe in him.
Hey, thanks! I decided to take a break from posting as I was pretty busy with class and found the ineptitude of some here utterly obnoxious. But I'll still poke my head in every now and then, even if less frequently.
I think you're making a couple of amateur mistakes here. 1st, you are relying on unknown sources whose credibility has not been established, and is doubted for good reason. You have no way of verifying where the author of John, writing many decades after Mark (the author of which was himself writing many decades after the supposed fact), received his information and if it is reliable. He may simply be repeating the tradition that, as Pliny the Elder wrote, "Protogenes was not highly thought of by his own countrymen, as is very often the case with a prophet in his own land." 2ndly, the passages in question only say that "his own brothers did not believe in him." Did all of his brothers possess the exact same amount of skepticism in every respect? It tells us nothing about James' skepticism --- if he is meant to be included with the other brothers, regarding to what specifically he did not believe, and to what degree. It would appear, contrary to your claim, that they were initially skeptical of his credentials as a prophet/sage/miracle-worker, and not anything to do with a resurrected body.
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza