Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

[Randy Carson]

Jenny-

Mark was not written 70 years later. If that were the case, it would have been after the turn of the century.

No one accepts that date. You shouldn't either. Mark was written very early as I have shown in another thread.

Maybe one reason why you are having a hard time finally coming to a faith position is that you are working with bad data.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Mark was written about the year 70, that's about 40 years after Jesus was crucified.   

Ah. That's very different and not what you posted previously, when you wrote:

"That would be the claim yes. But it's not proof of anything. It's an account written 70 years later by who knows who. "

That was probably just a slip. No problem.

To put that into perspective, that's 20 years after Paul wrote his letters.  And more to the point, way too late to be a first hand account, certainly way to late to depend upon for the details.  Not to mention that the book reads like what it is, a theological tale, not a historically accurate one. 

Mathew and Luke really were written in the 80 and 90s.  That is 60 to 70 years after the crucifixion and one of your minimal "facts" depends upon them.  That is that the disciples believed that they had seen Jesus resurrected.  Mark won't get you there because he ends with the empty tomb.

I also disagree with the dating of AD 70 for Mark, etc. I have posted my reasons in the other thread.

However, Mark DOES have a character in his "story" declare, "He is risen!" (Mk 15:7) So, Mark clearly knows of and preaches the resurrection. He was not a disciple or an eye-witness, so he got this information from someone else - Peter. Consequently, we are right back to the disciples believed that they had seen Jesus resurrected.

But don't forget: I'm not relying on the NT for that information. This is coming from extra-biblical sources.

John may [emphasis added] have been written as late as 110.

So take the gospels as gospel and what you have is garbage in garbage out.

May? It was closer to AD 95. Why would you insist upon a later date? (We both know the reason for that, don't we?)

Take another sip of the kool-aid, Jenny. Carrier and others will make sure there's plenty.