RE: Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach
July 9, 2015 at 6:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2015 at 6:52 pm by Randy Carson.)
(July 9, 2015 at 9:03 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote:(July 8, 2015 at 6:08 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: You get one warning to speak politely and refrain from gratuitous profanity before you go on my ignore list.
This is that warning.
If you want to talk to me, and I don't care whether you do or not, then you will do so like a mature adult.
By the way, I went to Barnes & Noble the other night and bought two books:
Did Jesus Exist? by Bart Ehrman and The Case for the Real Jesus by Lee Strobel.
Guess which one I'm going to enjoy quoting most?
Nobody cares about your ignore list, Randy. Nobody cares about your dramatic warnings. Nobody cares that the big, primitive gears in your head go "GA-JUN...GA-JUN...GAJUN" to make your thinking parts work.
What we care about are facts. You are pretending things are facts when they are not facts. You are ignoring arguments that crush yours into powder. You are appealing to authority, cherry-picking scriptures and books, and attempting to use rhetorical tricks and emotional arguments to bring "facts" into the discussion as presuppositions without having to prove them (even though the presuppositions themselves are mostly wild, unsupported claims). You also can't seem to get your primitive mind to ingest the fact that no matter how you try to twist things around, you cannot use elements of a claim to prove that claim.
Your facts have to be verifiable by something besides the bible, and nothing you have shown us has been convincing evidence to that effect. That is why nobody takes you seriously, and that is why some people (myself, at least) are getting more and more harsh as you continue to offer us the same destroyed arguments as if we didn't just destroy them on the last page. The only explanation I can come up with is that you really don't understand these arguments you're making well enough to see them for what they are. Besides, I haven't exactly been a picture of politeness thus far when addressing you and your broke-down rhetorical failings.
As I noted in the OP, "this discussion will not consider whether the New Testament is reliable nor attempt to prove that it is. The conclusion that Jesus did rise from the dead will not depend upon that argument."
If you have any opposing arguments you wish to make regarding any of the material I have presented, please make your case in response to the appropriate post(s):
Post 1 - My OP
Post 65 - Fact 1: Jesus died by crucifixion
Post 148 - Fact 2: Jesus' disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
Post 283 - Fact 3: Paul, the enemy of the Church, was suddenly converted
Post 460 - Fact 4: James, the skeptical brother of Jesus, was suddenly converted.
Coming Soon - Fact 5: Jesus' tomb was found to be empty
Thanks.
