RE: Statler Waldorf introduction.
October 13, 2010 at 4:44 pm
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2010 at 6:26 pm by TheDarkestOfAngels.)
(October 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Well bigotry is wrong no matter who it is against, even Creationists.It's not creationists I despise, It's creationism. I don't like creationists teaching sciences that creationism is conflicted against for the same reason the oil industry shouldn't be allowed to regulate themselves. It's counter productive.
(October 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Evidence cannot be interpreted without presuppositions. Presuppostions come directly from Worldviews. Hence why you can show a first grade student all the radiometric evidence you want and they will not independently arrive at the same conclusions as you because they lack your presuppositions. Gather a group of Scientists together who all have the same presuppositions and show them evidence and they will arrive at the same conclusions. However, this does not mean this is necessarily the correct conclusion.Evidence can certainly be interpreted without presuppositions. Just ask any criminal investigator. An investigator doesn't walk into a crime scene expecting to find anything other than evidence and not even necessarily for a crime because just because they call it a crime scence doesn't mean a crime was even committed.
The exact same thing is true for scientists - they haven't arrived to the conclusion that the earth is 4.54 billion years old because they had the worldview first and the evience came in later to support it - the evidence pointed in that direction and the scientists followed.
(October 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: The Dinosaur example was a bad oen considering they were first discovered by Owen who was a Creationist and a staunch opponent of Darwin.... and how does that make it a bad example? He was clearly wrong, falsifying or purposefully misinterpreting data because it was opposed to his own beliefs, and was later proven to be a fraud because of those actions as more and more evidence piled up against his suppositions.
(October 13, 2010 at 4:22 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: There are plenty of reputable Biologists, Geologists, and Astronomers who are Y-E, it's pretty much an urban legend to think otherwise. You don't think they have models and theories to explain Dinosaurs and Distant Starlight? They do.Considering I am fully aware of the statistics of the prominance of Y-E creationism in scientific fields, I don't think I am when I say that the concept among scientists who hold to that belief is virtually non-existant.
There is a greater perponderance of scientists who have religion but they are not in the majority compared to atheists and agnostics in the field.
I'm also fully aware of the Y-E theories of why things look the way they are and they have the problem of violating the laws of physics to the point to where the universe could not exist in their "theories" were true or the universe wouldn't exist as they expect it would (for example, faster light in the past actually results in a universe older than the one we currently have.)
Case and Point: (Not just the linked video but all five parts to which ths video is the first part of.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bRvt0InhYk
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan