(July 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: The Quran does not say "only in this specific example do fresh water and salt water not mix". The verse 25:53 claims that fresh and salt water never mix. Rain is fresh water, because the salt is removed from the water as it evaporates, so when it rains over an ocean/sea what do you think happens? Does the rain water mix with the salt water or not? Are you going to deny the water cycle simply to defend the Quran? Go and get a cup of non-salt water and mix it with a cup of salty water and see what happens.Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
Notice it does not mention your apparent example, therefore we must assume the author of the Quran did not know fresh and salt water can mix:
Quran 25:53
It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Secondly, you still haven't explained away Quran 33:4 which says humans can only have one heart within their body even though people have been born with more than one heart.
Man with two hearts survives double heart attack yet Quran 33:4 says: "Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way."
Please explain this apparent contradiction with reality.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran
This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words, and in this hadeeth you will see that clearly
came to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."
a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.
(July 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: The Quran does not say "only in this specific example do fresh water and salt water not mix". The verse 25:53 claims that fresh and salt water never mix. Rain is fresh water, because the salt is removed from the water as it evaporates, so when it rains over an ocean/sea what do you think happens? Does the rain water mix with the salt water or not? Are you going to deny the water cycle simply to defend the Quran? Go and get a cup of non-salt water and mix it with a cup of salty water and see what happens.Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
Notice it does not mention your apparent example, therefore we must assume the author of the Quran did not know fresh and salt water can mix:
Quran 25:53
It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Secondly, you still haven't explained away Quran 33:4 which says humans can only have one heart within their body even though people have been born with more than one heart.
Man with two hearts survives double heart attack yet Quran 33:4 says: "Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way."
Please explain this apparent contradiction with reality.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran
This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words,
(July 13, 2015 at 3:55 pm)MrNoMorePropaganda Wrote: The Quran does not say "only in this specific example do fresh water and salt water not mix". The verse 25:53 claims that fresh and salt water never mix. Rain is fresh water, because the salt is removed from the water as it evaporates, so when it rains over an ocean/sea what do you think happens? Does the rain water mix with the salt water or not? Are you going to deny the water cycle simply to defend the Quran? Go and get a cup of non-salt water and mix it with a cup of salty water and see what happens.Ok for the first verse it says in Arabic bahrain that means two seas in arabic snd bahr in arabic means a large place with water in it not two bodies as you claimed.
Notice it does not mention your apparent example, therefore we must assume the author of the Quran did not know fresh and salt water can mix:
Quran 25:53
It is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Secondly, you still haven't explained away Quran 33:4 which says humans can only have one heart within their body even though people have been born with more than one heart.
Man with two hearts survives double heart attack yet Quran 33:4 says: "Allah has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body: nor has He made your wives whom ye divorce by Zihar your mothers: nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But Allah tells (you) the Truth, and He shows the (right) Way."
Please explain this apparent contradiction with reality.
For the second verse about hearts you stated you should know that in arabic qualb or fouad means heart an mind in the same moment so it should be referred to as it was in the context.
According to Ibn katheer tafsir of quran
This verse was meant for a man in koraish who was named zo alqualbain which means the man with two hearts who claimed that he had two minds not hearts cause that what the man claimed each mind as an entity of its own giving him much more knowledge than the others.
So you can't just translate quran to english without knowing the explanation of these words, and this hadeeth shows it clearly
from wabsa bin mouabad that hecame to the messenger of Allah and he said: "You have come to ask about righteousness ?" . I said:" Yes." He said: "Consult your heart. Righteousness is that about which the soul feels tranquil and the heart feels tranquil, and wrongdoing is that which wavers in the soul and moves to and from in the breast even though people again and again have given you their legal opinion [in its favor]."
a good hadith transmetted from the Musnads of the two Imams, Ahmed bin Hanbal and Al-Darimi, with a good chain of authorities.
So heart here means mind not heart literally.