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Islam is the real deal
RE: Islam is the real deal
Seeing as the OP seems to have wriggled out of my first attack, let's try questioning the historical accuracy of the Quran. I have two verses which on the face of it appear to contradict the history of Mecca.
Quran 2:127 and Quran 3:96 assert that Mecca is the old settlement (and place of worship) on Earth. How can it be reliably demonstrated that Mecca is as old as the Quran claims (as old as Abraham) and that people have gone there since the time of Abraham and up to the time of Muhammad?

2:127 "And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing."

3:96 "The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings:"

I cannot find any evidence that the city of Mecca is as old as the Quran claims. Heck, I cannot find any evidence for the Abraham of the Quran either. Why would anyone go to the middle of nowhere all the way up from Israel?

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Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 11, 2015 at 7:43 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 8:04 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Excited Penguin - July 13, 2015 at 5:22 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 11, 2015 at 8:52 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by tjakey - July 11, 2015 at 9:45 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Mudhammam - July 11, 2015 at 8:55 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Jackalope - July 11, 2015 at 8:58 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Mudhammam - July 11, 2015 at 9:04 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 9:00 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Minimalist - July 11, 2015 at 9:11 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Pyrrho - July 11, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ignoramus - July 11, 2015 at 10:10 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Longhorn - July 12, 2015 at 11:44 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 11, 2015 at 10:21 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Mudhammam - July 12, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 7:48 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Cato - July 11, 2015 at 10:27 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 11, 2015 at 10:29 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Aractus - July 13, 2015 at 7:50 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Regina - July 13, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Angrboda - July 11, 2015 at 10:55 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 4:12 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Napoléon - July 12, 2015 at 7:42 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by ignoramus - July 12, 2015 at 5:50 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 12, 2015 at 6:43 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by downbeatplumb - July 12, 2015 at 7:19 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by paulpablo - July 12, 2015 at 8:16 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Cato - July 12, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Redbeard The Pink - July 12, 2015 at 8:40 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Dragonetti - July 12, 2015 at 8:59 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ReptilianPeon - July 12, 2015 at 10:31 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ReptilianPeon - July 13, 2015 at 1:59 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by popsthebuilder - July 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by Minimalist - July 12, 2015 at 11:23 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by Longhorn - July 12, 2015 at 12:10 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 3:08 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by Mudhammam - July 12, 2015 at 4:35 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 12, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 4:39 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 5:55 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 12, 2015 at 6:00 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 13, 2015 at 8:14 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 12, 2015 at 7:02 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 7:19 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 8:27 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 8:37 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 8:54 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Angrboda - July 12, 2015 at 9:07 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 9:13 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 9:53 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 10:02 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 10:55 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 10:40 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 12, 2015 at 11:12 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JuliaL - July 12, 2015 at 11:28 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Valkyrie - July 12, 2015 at 11:23 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 13, 2015 at 12:19 am
Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 13, 2015 at 1:44 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 13, 2015 at 4:20 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Spooky - July 13, 2015 at 4:25 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 13, 2015 at 4:33 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 13, 2015 at 4:35 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ReptilianPeon - July 13, 2015 at 5:33 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 13, 2015 at 7:34 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ignoramus - July 13, 2015 at 7:49 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ReptilianPeon - July 13, 2015 at 8:04 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 14, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Aractus - July 14, 2015 at 9:14 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 14, 2015 at 4:50 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 14, 2015 at 5:10 pm
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Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 14, 2015 at 5:45 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 14, 2015 at 5:57 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by pocaracas - July 14, 2015 at 6:39 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 14, 2015 at 8:09 pm
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 11:45 am
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RE: Islam is the real deal - by JesusHChrist - July 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JesusHChrist - July 15, 2015 at 1:51 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by aishatbh95 - July 15, 2015 at 1:02 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 15, 2015 at 1:09 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by pocaracas - July 15, 2015 at 1:15 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by aishatbh95 - July 15, 2015 at 1:30 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 1:33 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 1:45 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Angrboda - July 15, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by aishatbh95 - July 15, 2015 at 2:16 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 2:21 pm
Islam is the real deal - by aishatbh95 - July 15, 2015 at 2:28 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JesusHChrist - July 15, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 2:59 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Spooky - July 15, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JesusHChrist - July 15, 2015 at 4:40 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 3:09 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 3:32 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 3:33 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 15, 2015 at 3:35 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by ignoramus - July 16, 2015 at 4:10 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 15, 2015 at 3:37 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by The Grand Nudger - July 15, 2015 at 3:39 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by robvalue - July 16, 2015 at 5:41 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by TubbyTubby - July 16, 2015 at 6:48 am
RE: Islam is the real deal - by Regina - July 16, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by huss88ein - July 16, 2015 at 1:52 pm
RE: Islam is the real deal - by JesusHChrist - July 16, 2015 at 2:00 pm

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