RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:26 am
(This post was last modified: July 16, 2015 at 10:35 am by The Grand Nudger.)
@Nestor
No...I was simply discussing my right to remain silent, not the fount from which that right flows. It exists without dependence on a god, and in spite of the willingness of others to infringe upon it. These then, to me, wouldn't disqualify human rights as a possibility, since they don't have the power to disqualify my right to remain silent.
I'm sure we could isolate the various sources of a great many rights if we set our minds to it. Mine is simply one example of where a right can originate from. I'd probably swing from wildly supportive to roundly dismissive as we went through the list of candidate rights, candidate justifications, and candidate points of origin..lol. Ultimately though, I do think that our rights flow from our will...where else would they flow from...if there where no human wills would there be any human rights (with a big or a little h) at all? I suspect not. This is, conveniently, how we determine what we grant rights to, or claim rights for, in the first place. How -far- our rights extend outwards from our will is an open subject, eh? I Would be willing to state that a right might reach -very far- and be justifiable, or -exceedingly short- and yet be unjustifiable. It would be a case by case thing, imo. No one statement, such as "might makes right" would be capable of encircling the entire breadth of the field, and so it seems a poor candidate, if only on those grounds, for the source of rights or morality as a whole.
No...I was simply discussing my right to remain silent, not the fount from which that right flows. It exists without dependence on a god, and in spite of the willingness of others to infringe upon it. These then, to me, wouldn't disqualify human rights as a possibility, since they don't have the power to disqualify my right to remain silent.
I'm sure we could isolate the various sources of a great many rights if we set our minds to it. Mine is simply one example of where a right can originate from. I'd probably swing from wildly supportive to roundly dismissive as we went through the list of candidate rights, candidate justifications, and candidate points of origin..lol. Ultimately though, I do think that our rights flow from our will...where else would they flow from...if there where no human wills would there be any human rights (with a big or a little h) at all? I suspect not. This is, conveniently, how we determine what we grant rights to, or claim rights for, in the first place. How -far- our rights extend outwards from our will is an open subject, eh? I Would be willing to state that a right might reach -very far- and be justifiable, or -exceedingly short- and yet be unjustifiable. It would be a case by case thing, imo. No one statement, such as "might makes right" would be capable of encircling the entire breadth of the field, and so it seems a poor candidate, if only on those grounds, for the source of rights or morality as a whole.
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