(October 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: It doesn't matter. Only God knows why things happened the way they did in those situations. I can only point out situations in which prayer and faith did work.My problem with prayer is that prayer works as well, statistically, as not praying and is irrelevant to belief, religion, or anything.
(October 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Think of a car that goes dead. Most of the time people will get jumper cables and give it a boost. Will that turn on their car every time? Of course not. Are you going to say that jumper cables don't work because they don't always turn on a car? No. If the car won't turn on, most of the time, there's something wrong with the car itself, not the cables. Think of prayer that way. If it doesn't work, there's a reason.No, but I can statistically prove that jumper cables have a non-random chance of success.
I can't say the same for prayer of any kind.
(October 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Just because a person says they're a Christian doesn't mean they really are. Christians have been known to lead double lives, lack compassion, make self-destructive decisions, sin, etc. Even if a person is a good Christian, if they pray without faith at any given time their prayers will not be answered.That's... the no true scotsman fallacy. It's also irrelevant as prayer is still statistically indistinguishable from random chance.
(October 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Most atheists have a very simple-minded view of God. He's supposed to be like some magic wand, and every time you pray to him, the answer has to be yes, or he doesn't exist. That's like saying that every time someone applies for a loan, the bank has to say yes. If not, the only conclusion is that the bank has no money. God is much more complex than that.That's actually not true. I don't know about other atheists, but if prayer worked, I think it would be very interesting to say it had any chance of actually working on a regular basis for anyone.
(October 14, 2010 at 10:20 pm)AngelThMan Wrote: Good things can happen to unbelievers, and bad things can happen to Christians. This does not disprove the existence of God, or the power of prayer. God said that he could bless whomever he pleases. But we can be assured that when he blesses someone who is an unbeliever, there is a master plan behind it.That's... an interesting thing you've conviced yourself of.
If today you can take a thing like evolution and make it a crime to teach in the public schools, tomorrow you can make it a crime to teach it in the private schools and next year you can make it a crime to teach it to the hustings or in the church. At the next session you may ban books and the newspapers...
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan
Ignorance and fanaticism are ever busy and need feeding. Always feeding and gloating for more. Today it is the public school teachers; tomorrow the private. The next day the preachers and the lecturers, the magazines, the books, the newspapers. After a while, Your Honor, it is the setting of man against man and creed against creed until with flying banners and beating drums we are marching backward to the glorious ages of the sixteenth centry when bigots lighted fagots to burn the men who dared to bring any intelligence and enlightenment and culture to the human mind. ~Clarence Darrow, at the Scopes Monkey Trial, 1925
Politics is supposed to be the second-oldest profession. I have come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first. ~Ronald Reagan