Why can't Christians say that parts of the Old Testament don't apply??..

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I love watching 2 xtians argue about which pile of trash smells worse.

Me too. They can't both be right.... but they can both be wrong

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It,s not cherry picking some of the OT laws do not apply to christianity as a matter of fact they were given to show the need of Christ as savior. Adam and Eve could not keep the only law given them and no one has ever keep all the 10 commandments, we're a pretty sorry lot.

John 1:1-5 These verses tell us that Christ was with the Father in the begining and that all things were made through Him. (Jesus was there at the start of creation)

Genesis 1:1-3 These verses tell us that the Father and Holy Spirit were present at the begining. Those eight verses show the Trinity has always been.

Genesis 3:22 God says,"Behold the man has become like us knowing good and evil. Here God the Father refers to the Son and Holy Spirit.

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Ok, let me deal with your scripture. First off, John is NT. So him saying that Christ was with God in the beginning is a simple case of retcon. He could also have written that in the beginning God had a dog, but the OT doesn't say that he did. Anything from the NT that tries to rewrite the OT is not admissible.

Genesis 1 - this is just the christian interpretation. Could it be that the spirit of god is simply a reference to his spirit, not a separate entity? Otherwise you could also then say the brain of god, or the heart of god is also part of the multipart god (assuming he has a brain or heart). I'm sure the Jews do not have this interpretation of this passage, and remember, it was their book first.... but actually, as Christianity grew out of Judaism then really you should have the same interpretation.

Genesis 3 - yes, i love this one. This also links in nicely with "you shall have no other gods before me" the plural usage of god (Gods - Elohim) in the OT, and other reference that imply, Yahweh is not alone, which fits in nicely with historical evidence that prior to Judaism's evolution Yahweh was a lesser deity of a larger pantheon. I'm very happy to agree with you that God is not alone.... but this does not imply that there are 3 gods that are in reality one god.

Remember, out ancestors invented polytheism much earlier than monotheism. Yahweh as a singular god came onto the scene quite later in the evolution of religion and he came from a pantheon, which explains a lot of the pluralism in the OT regarding god(s). What Christianity actually did with the whole idea of the trinity was a step backwards towards polythesim, and Catholicism took it even a step further by raising Mary to a level of importance that borders on hubris, in effect she is almost (or more) powerful than the Jesus component of God because people pray to her to intercede with her son... who is also the father... and it all gets a little confusing.

Anyway... this is going off-topic... sorry, why can/can't Christians ignore the OT laws?

You asked for scriptures, you did not specify OT or NT so all the verses I used are relevant. You're trying to limit the facts as given in scripture. The OT and NT are one book in christianity and that is what this is about. God is not only God to the Jews He is God to all that believe. You are flawed in your thinking, the way you think would negate any new laws from being written and if you think you are correct then you and Thor need to have a discussion.
The Jews had Jesus put to death because He called Himself the Son of God And Jesus told His disciples that He had to return to the Father so the Helper (Holy Spirit) could come, in this one statement the Trinity is made visible. When Jesus was baptized the Holy Spirit desended upon Him and the Father said this is My Son in whom I Am is well pleased, another example of the Trinity. Jesus also told His disciples that the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God, He did not mean this was just Gods spirit Jesus meant that the Holy Spirit would interact with man to help him know the will of God. Jesus also told His disciples that He and the Father were as One. If you like I will look up and post all the passages, I do not believe I need to you seem to know that they are in scriptures. This is alot of scripture statements that show the three persons of the One true God and yes they are three seperate persons of the God of creation. As for the OT it's the foretelling of Christ, I'm not sure how anyone could deny the Trinity.
Catholicism is wrong in elevating Mary to such a high place, Jesus in His time on earth did not hint that this was to happen. Catholicism has broken the commandment not to worship any other gods.
The Son is not the Father, Jesus said that the Father is the only one who knows the exact time of His (Jesus) return, if Jesus was the Father He would also know this and He said He did not also the Holy Spirit does not know the exact time of Jesus return, more good evidence that there are three persons that are one God. I agree the Trinity is a hard thing to understand.
Christians should not ignor the OT there are many valuable lessons to be learned, there's so much that helps us to understand God. The OT is what the disciples used to preach about Jesus in their ministries, it was their proof of His coming and many people were converted because of the OT wittness to Christ. If you want I can show you scriptures of why, not all the OT applies to christians. It's late so I'll look for your reply this weekend.

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Um...because you both read the same stupid book and think it says different things.

And evolutionist look at the same stupid fossil and think it's two, three, four and more different things.