What Human Rights?

[The Grand Nudger]

1. I did NOT say this, and have actually said the complete opposite from this MANY times in this forum. Including just a few pages back. But you know that.

LOL< christ, you won't take a hint...will you?  I -know-.  One down, two to go.  

2. If God didn't exist I would not believe in "human rights" in the sense that they are rights that are inherent to humanity. This is the position of MANY of the atheists here. So you trying to paint me as a bad person for saying I would take the common atheist view makes absolutely 0 sense.

I'm not trying to paint you as a bad person at all.....you are.  I keep suggesting that you would retain your better qualities, like your belief in the dignity of life and the existence of human rights, regardless.  

3. Once again, this is the same exact position of a lot of people here. Have you not been reading these responses? Did you not see my conversation with JennyA? Did you not read the thread I linked you to??

You are misrepresenting me, putting words in my mouth, continuously accusing me of things I never said and don't believe, and condemning me for saying that if I was atheist I would have the same views regarding these things as many atheists here.

Condemning you....lol,  climb down off the stage.  I'm suggesting that since your current justification for human rights doesn't actually -require- a god to exist...regardless of whether or not one does, or you believe that one does......that you being an atheist or a catholic wouldn't modify your position flowing -from- that justification.  Atheism doesn't make any claims to dignity. If you became an atheist, you would cease to believe in god, not dignity. Maybe some of these other atheists don't accept an argument from dignity...-but you do-. The argument from dignity is not exclusive to god nor is the concept of dignity itself, neither are barred from you for lack of belief in god. I would expect you to continue to believe in many of the things you -already- believe in. Do you understand? I know, I know, you've claimed that if you didn't believe in god you wouldn't believe in dignity, but recall that first "if I were an atheist"........you seem to have gotten around god on that one, I'm guessing you can get around god here too.

Like I said before, I did not come to this site to be treated like this by a grown man. You seemed to get better for a second there and interested in having an honest discussion, so I gave you a second chance. I've been trying to like you as a forum member, I really have. Now I see you are back to your old self. It was a mistake for me to have started trying to engage in conversation with you again.

This will be my last post to you. Have a good night.

There you go again.  Try to own it next time. You know how often we have to watch these little "If I were an atheist" firecrackers go off? Surprise, surprise.....you guys don't know much about atheism, or being an atheist....so you're bound to get some of this mixed up. Now...you just -flat out bullshitted- your way through this entire conversation with me, and now you're gonna bitch about my being a big meanie? Your churches authoritative position on the matter is deference to an argument from dignity, one of many arguments leveraged equally as well by -secular- advocates. You didn't know this when we began, it isn't where you thought it would be, your sources didn't refer to what you claimed they did, and you;d have known that if you had prior knowledge, or took ten seconds to google past the first friendly looking link, all the while, filling every awkward space with prevarication and backpedaling.

Sweet dreams.